Sense of Soul: A Journey Through Spirituality and Self-Discovery

Will: Welcome to another enlightening episode of the Skeptic Metaphysicians. I'm Will. And I'm Karen. And today we have the pleasure of diving deeper into the mystical realms of intuition, ancient wisdom, and spiritual mysteries with our incredible guest, Shanna Vavra. Shanna is no ordinary individual. She is an intuitive.

She's a Reiki master teacher the driving force behind the renowned sense of soul [00:01:00] podcast throughout her life's journey. Shanna has fearlessly followed her inner compass, leading her to explore the uncharted territories of her ancestral roots in unravel.

The enigmatic teachings hidden within Gnostic gospels and age old scriptures with over two decades of experience in coaching roles, Shanna's passion for unveiling obscured histories and breathing life into once hidden narratives has become her life's purpose. Through her podcast, Sense of Soul, she engages in real, authentic, and conscious conversations with kindred spirits from all walks of life.

Lightworkers motivational speakers and authors who share their wisdom and inspire authentic living. Now her podcast resounding success speaks for itself. It's ranked in the top 1 percent of all podcasts on listen notes and is crowned as the number one. Top spiritual awakening podcast by feed spots, esteemed list of 40 best spiritual awakening podcasts to follow in 23 [00:02:00] with over a million downloads and an extensive library of 400 episodes.

The sense of soul podcast has touched the lives of countless individuals, guiding them on their own unique journeys towards discovering the true. Sense of soul. Shanna, thank you so much for being on the show. We're excited to talk to you today.

Shanna: everyone. Oh, my gosh. Thanks for having me. That was quite the intro.

Will: Well, you know, we try to do things that make people go, who's that? Is that me?

Karen: And the Addams go, how'd they get them

Will: on their show? Right, right. That's the most important thing is how to get them on their show.

Karen & Will: What do they have

Karen: on her?

Karen & Will: Well,

Will: and then I also, I neglected to mention that Shanna, And her podcast sense of soul is a part of the, wonderful ethereal podcast network that we are also a part of.

and we're thrilled to have you

on there.

Shanna: yeah. It's a pleasure to be among so many amazing names and. You know, all with the same purpose and I love it so much. I [00:03:00] love all you guys so much.

Will: Oh, thank you. We, we love you right back. let's just dive right into it. Can you share how you discovered your own sense of soul and what led you to embark on this whole spiritual journey thing?

Shanna: Yeah. I mean, I never saw it coming. That's for sure.

Will: Not many people do.

Shanna: No, you know, I think I was trying to fit in that condition box, you know, and I was doing pretty well, you know, keeping up with the Joneses, you know, making sure my kids were good so that I looked good. We went to church every Sunday. trying to live the dream in my cookie cutter house, but I think it was so overwhelming to do so that I was losing myself and, you know, that conditioned box is painful.

It turned into all kinds of diagnoses like fibromyalgia, ADHD, anxiety forever. And I was on all of these medications. I mean, I was so numbed [00:04:00] out. And I mean, the kids would be on the roof and I'd be like, Hey guys, you should probably get down. I mean, just out of it. And I've always been such an emotional person.

And I was at the point where I couldn't even cry. Yeah. I was just dumb. And so I remember in my memory was going, that was a weird thing because I've always had a really good memory. And I remember going to my doctor and saying, you know, something ain't right. I mean, I literally cannot remember the beginning of my day.

And there's something going on here. I was like, just take me off all these drugs and I'll just go to like a shrink. Okay. You know, and so I did, and it was like the best thing that ever happened because, you know, they were bringing awareness to. There were other ways that maybe I could be handling my stress besides just numbing them and covering them up and so One lady who diagnosed me [00:05:00] with ADHD also suggested in the same Session that I should go to mindfulness class and I'm like lady You just told me my mind had no problems being full.

Like, are we talking about here? And so I did, and it was in that moment, in that mindfulness class, I mean, I really sucked at it. I mean, first of all, I'll just say that I did not accomplish mindfulness in that class.

Will: all, usually we all do right when we first get started. So I didn't

Karen: even know there were classes for that. I thought you just had to be mindful. Like, what, what did they teach you? Like how,

Will: well, in England you have to mind the gap. Is that, does that work?

Shanna: actually, it was

very interesting. You know, it was like feel the paper, you know, it was all these things and it actually the teacher, the leader of the class who had made like a paper airplane and all I'm thinking was, oh yeah, true, got in trouble for that paper airplane at school last week and then I'm like, I should be at [00:06:00] home.

I should be with my kids. Oh my God. He's telling me to breathe. I can't even breathe. I don't know what to breathe. I suck at this. And I'm like looking around and I'm like, Oh my God, everyone's better than, you know, me at this. And I started to panic and I started to listen and I just was so mean to myself.

I mean, I was talking some mad crap and that was the moment. I didn't even know there was this other voice. And you're something to listen to this voice that was really talking crap to me. I would never talk to a stranger the way I was talking to myself. And that really was the moment.

Will: So then, when you realized that something was wrong, what was, what did you turn to first? Because you, you do a lot of things. You're intuitive. You're a Reiki master teacher. You're, you, you've done ancestral studies. I mean, you've done a lot. So what was your first step in the world of, uh, of the metaphysical?

Shanna: Well, you know, because I was working with my doctor, you know, to get over the stress, I had saw that they [00:07:00] had some sort of study. It was like a nighttime meditation study. And I was like, Alright, maybe I'll try something like this, you know, as long as it's not too woo woo, you know I don't want to go to hell for meditating Grew up Catholic, right?

Karen & Will: Yeah. Uh huh.

Shanna: It was so funny because I was so excited about this. And then when they, they do like this online kind of quiz that you, they ask you all these questions. And at the end I said I was too stressed out for their study, but that I was doing all the good things like mindfulness and seeing a shrink and all these things.

But I didn't qualify, but I was so excited. So I was like, screw this. I'll make my own. I know.

Karen: that you didn't

Will: qualify. So you didn't, so you were too stressed for a stress release study. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And then that's

Karen: stressful when they tell you that, like, Oh God,

Karen & Will: I'm really

Shanna: can you imagine? Yes. I felt so [00:08:00] defeated, but I was like, no, I was really looking forward to this. So I'm going to create my own. And back then, I don't even know if they had a YouTube. So, I mean, I was like really searching for stuff and, but I did find some sort of nighttime meditation and sure enough, it was working, I was sleeping better than ever, I was Listening to that voice more than ever and just my awareness became super heightened and I liked the space I really did and I was crocheting at the time. I had learned how to crochet. I think it was like, At the beginning of my 30s like all of these new talents came to me. I don't know what happened Maybe it was a walk in you hear those things I mean, but yeah, I learned how to crochet.

I mean, I learned how to sew. In fact, it was very interesting. I would sit there and so, and I didn't know what I was doing, but I was doing it. And I would call the bobbin a bobber. And I did for like a year before [00:09:00] my partner was like, you know, that's not a bobber. And I was like, well, I think it is. And he's like, no, that's when you fish, you use a bobber. But yeah, that's interesting though. It is. Really interesting how during that time where I was making space for myself, all of a sudden I became real super creative, which I think happens when you're on that vibe. Creativity is part of it, but it was hilarious because I was making these rag rugs. And you start like in the inside and before you know it, you're like on this rug and it's huge around you.

And I would play this chanting music that I found on YouTube. And believe me, the only reason why I played this chant because it said, God is love. Love is God. So I thought I was like, okay, but come to find out. It's like one of the most powerful Hindu chants, like the most ancient powerful chant.

Karen & Will: Wow. Wow.

Shanna: I tricked [00:10:00] myself.

Karen: And there's something, you know, you're talking about these new talents and being creative. There's something that's so like meditative about working with your hands. Like when I cook and I have to chop a lot of stuff, I just like go into the zone. And I always think, well, maybe in a past life I was a factory worker or someone that just kind of did that because it's such like a comfortable place for me to be doing things with my hands because you're just kind of, you're just there in the moment.

You're focusing on what you're doing. You're not, you know, stressed about anything.

Shanna: it's so true. I have God, but you know, at that time also, I had four kids, two in high school, one child who's on the spectrum and a newborn. So, I mean, anyone would be stressed and I just lost my dad. I lost one of my best friends and it was really crazy. And I do remember there was this one moment in the bath. This is really interesting. I'm going to share a very intimate moment.

Karen & Will: All right.

Shanna: Yeah, you know, I'm in the bathtub and I'm looking and in the corner, there's like this bottle and it's a philosophy bottle. That was the brand name of this bubble bath [00:11:00] and it had been like in the corner of the bubble bath forever.

Like if you tried to pick it up, it was like stuck like to the tub, but I look at it and I see it's called begin again and I don't think they have this one anymore. But. I wish they did because it was so beautiful. I looked at it closer and you know, have you, I'm starting to be more mindful of things, right?

But I'd never seen this bubble bath or read it ever. And I'm reading it and it's the most beautiful thing ever. It says something like, you know, you can climb to the highest mountain to find yourself at the bottom of a new one. Begin again. You know, you can, you crossed all your eyes, but you forgot to dot your T's or.

Dot your eyes, forgot to crush your T's, begin again, right? I mean, it was just all that. And that was such a big moment for me because I just cried. It was so beautiful. Like I really became mindful just of everything around me. And really, that's what, that's what [00:12:00] it did.

Karen: And how were you then able to, growing up Catholic and kind of with all the stress and you know, you've got all these kids and just so much time to learn to crochet and everything, but how were you able to be accepting of the woo, of Reiki, of all of this?

Shanna: Right. Yeah. I think it was actually the magic question that I asked myself that I love to ask people that I work with, too, is how much of what you believe have you been told to believe and of that, how much have you experienced to be true for yourself

Karen: Wow, that's a great question.

Shanna: Yeah. And I could honestly say the only thing that I felt like I had really experienced was like love, love for like my children, but everything else, like my belief system, who I wanted to be, what I went to school for, what I was working, you know, the work I was doing, all of that, where I was living.

Everything was really just based off of what everyone else told me that I should be and believe in. And so from that [00:13:00] moment I was seeking experience.

Will: Interesting but I heard this quote somewhere just a couple days ago and I thought I don't I don't know where this is coming from or why why I'm hearing this but now it all makes sense it says I don't know what the truth is but I know what love feels like and I follow that every single day. That's like perfection right there.

Shanna: Oh my gosh. I told you just totally. So that's it. My whole body just tingled. I have goosebumps. Right? It's like I experienced what you said. Yeah,

Will: and so when, all the, strife and the conflict and all that kind of stuff and, and what is the truth, what's real, what's not, what really at the end of it all, I mean, just, you know, what love is just, just do that. Just do that, and you'll, you'll be okay.

Shanna: it is.

Will: Well,

Karen: I think, you know, you say you know what love is, but I think it can be confusing to some people, because I think they interpret it as, as a relationship love, or a mother child love.

You know, love is so much more than that, and it's [00:14:00] not even loving your neighbor, it's Just so much more. It's this feeling, this overwhelming feeling of just peace and joy and acceptance and tolerance. And

Will: I think that when you meditate to Shannon's point, when you meditate, I think you get to a point where you realize that you are nothing but love.

And I think as long as you hang on to that feeling, moving forward on a day to day basis, that's what makes it so great.

Shanna: That's what the sense of soul is. Right? I mean, you're literally sensing that love, you're experiencing it and that's what I was seeking. I wanted truth and I became like a die hard truth seeker in that moment and I wanted to experience truth and that kind of started with my ancestral journey for sure.

 There's so much healing through that, but the, I think the one thing that blew me away the most in my whole entire ancestry journey was though, is that no matter which lineage I looked at, they were all forced in some way to their religion.

Will: Huh? [00:15:00] That is interesting.

Shanna: So I had an ancestor who was on one of those first five boats that came from France to New Orleans. Um, and it was like 17 something early 1700s and he was actually a German and he was a witness to those before you got on the boat, you were to get baptized for you got on the boat if you weren't already.

And then of course that was in the black code. Um, so all slaves had to be baptized and they got Sundays off and, um, then you had, um, the Cajun people that were relocated from, uh, Canada down to New Orleans or down to Louisiana as well. And I had a great shaman who is known as the apostate. Because he was forced, him and his tribe were forced to be Christians.

They gave him Christian names and yeah, so, and then of course my dad had Jewish in him [00:16:00] and so there was that whole cover up and I never knew anything about that. Um, but they were all very, very Catholic.

Will: let's talk a little bit about, teachings and learning since we're on the topic. Uh, you, you're, you've had over 400 episodes on your show, right? And you haven't. dove into every imaginable, modality, spiritual thought process, the whole deal. So I'm just going to assume that you have all the answers and we're about to learn what they all are. The floor is yours, Hannah.

Karen & Will: And go. Now

Shanna: I don't know about that. I'm definitely a teacher. I mean, I'm not a teacher. I'm a student for life, for sure. But what I found was Um, and it's, it's, of course, you know, you're learning every, every episode from these amazing people. I'm sure you guys can absolutely, you know, contest to that. I mean, it's pretty remarkable to be able to talk to some of the amazing people we're talking to. You know, I've learned so much and of course there's so many different modalities, you know, like you were saying, [00:17:00] and I love to learn about all of them. I really do. But what I found was that like when I started Reiki, I was really into it and I still do. I teach it. I think it's a great foundation for energy, but I was putting myself back in another box.

So I always, I like to teach Reiki, but I always say like, make it your own. So that was another thing that I really truly had to learn throughout this journey is, you know, there's many ideas to different things. Many, you know, different practices, but when it comes down to it, I think that once you're out of that box, it's harder to get back in it.

And so I really, you know, follow, like you said, at the beginning, my inner compass. I mean, I really, really trust my discernment, um, even with my Sophia journey. So I've been on this journey studying the Gnostic Gospels and the Gnostic Sophia. And I had to use a discernment throughout that entire time because there's so much outside [00:18:00] opinions about different things.

And I just shut it all out because I wanted to experience it and I wanted to learn it for myself. And however, I did. I want it to, to be authentic.

Will: don't, maybe aren't familiar with the Gnostic scriptures or Sophia, in a nutshell, can you nutshell it for us? What is that?

Shanna: Yeah. In the nutshell. So, um, so the Nagamati was found, well, so there's lots of different Gnostic texts, but there was a huge library of them found like in the 19. 50s, 1940s, 50s, somewhere around there. And so there was also many found like in the 1700s as well. So these are very old scriptures that were found that are the gospels of Jesus's disciples.

So the only ones that we know that made the cut were Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And Peter wrote most of them, which Peter didn't even know Jesus, but you have all of these other ones that, you know, um, people are more familiar with. I mean, Judas. James, Thomas, Mary Magdalene, [00:19:00] right? There's hundreds of them.

And so I started to explore, I happened to come across one of them one day, I think it was the book of Thomas, which is the most beautiful Gospels. Ever. Ever. Which is also, I think, one of the most popular, um, Gospels, where he's only quoting Jesus. So it's not like he's telling the stories, quoting him, which you do hear many of the same quotes that you do find in the New Testament.

But there is, these are kind of untouched, they're like virgin Gospels, because they haven't, you know, been touched by the hierarchy or the church and all of these things. And they've only been translated only a few times. So they're more raw and you get to know this almost like Zen master Jesus.

Will: I've liked that Zen Master Jesus.

It's like a

Shanna: like this. is a lot of feminine energy [00:20:00] in this. So the, there's many, many,

Karen: That's why they didn't make the cut.

Shanna: Yes, that's no, I really do think so as part of it. So there's a lot. There were many disciples that were women. And they were highly regarded, especially Mary Magdalene. And there's also the mention of a feminine goddess or like a feminine energy of God, which is Sophia, which in Greek just means wisdom.

She's mentioned in the Bible. She's also mentioned in the Catholic Canon, um, in the book of wisdom, which is after her. But yeah, I mean, she was hidden, you know, buried and now she is. Been birthed from earth and she's rising and hopefully if anyone ever listens to this or my podcast, they'll learn a little bit more about, you know, who she is.

Karen: Wow. It's such a shame that so much of this feminine energy isn't really in the, the Bible that most people read because it, there's [00:21:00] such a difference between the masculine and feminine. And in my experience, I think the feminine energy tends to be so much more. Encompassing of everything

Shanna: Yeah.

Karen: so I think it would really have kind of given an extra something to

the Bible

Shanna: Balance,

Karen: balance. Yeah. probably balance

Shanna: Yeah, for

Will: we need to take a quick break before we get to for two Much further down this rabbit hole. Uh, but when we come back, we're going to keep talking to Shanna. we're going to dive a little deeper into her sense of soul podcast learnings that she's gotten from the, interviews that she's done.

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Welcome back to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. We are with Shanna Vavra, who is the. Brains behind the sense of soul podcast or with over a million downloads and 400 plus [00:23:00] episodes recorded and released. We are thrilled to have her with us to talk all things, metaphysics, spirituality. I got to put this on the table because everybody knows, and including you, how jealous I am of you, right?

Because you have had. Not just once, but twice, you've had the honor, the privilege, the, the, the luck to have Neil Donald Walsh on your show. How in the world, how was he like, how amazing must that have been to have him on your show?

Shanna: God. I love him. I mean, I do. I adore him so much and I do feel like we have a connection. You know, I definitely feel like there is something, you know, that is connecting us. I'm, I'm just that love of, of seeking something and overcoming, you know, challenges and, and looking for, you know, the world to. You know, he has the same passion, actually the same as you guys do.

We want to see the world kind of find their light [00:24:00] within, you know, them, rather than seeking it outside of themselves. And in learning to, you know, climb onto that top of the mountain, and even if you're coming to a brand new mountain, like, know that you got stronger. You know, and just keep going. And I just, he's so inspiring.

And guess what? You guys are going to die. Guess what happened? He's going to write the forward of my book.

Will: Get out of

Karen & Will: town. Congratulations.

Karen: That's amazing. That is

Will: awesome. Right. And we haven't even touched on the fact that you're writing a book and so, I mean,

Karen: congratulations on that too.

Will: Right. Holy cow. Right. So, so first Neil Donald Walsh, for those that are uninitiated. He is the. really the Chandler, right?

The author, I guess, best, best way to put it of conversations with God, the entire series. And it is my Bible. It is my, it is the, the series of books that I have, followed through my entire dark night of the soul, periods of time. And that's not just singular, but plural. And to have him write the forward for your book automatically puts it in a [00:25:00] place where very few.

Books, had the honor of. So how did you, okay. How much money did it cost you?

Shanna: you guys, first of all, it's actually in my episode with him, this last, the more recent episode. So I'm telling him that I received this message from. I felt like it was a feminine energy, which I must say, my whole journey with the Gnostic Gospels and Sophia and all this stuff, I always, I did not ever feel I was channeling her or anything like that.

I felt like my higher self was leading me, synchronicities, my dreams, but in this circle, this was just at the beginning of October. We're praying at the end of the circle and it is a Sophia circle and I say we're saying a prayer and I'm like I don't want to say a prayer. I actually just want to receive maybe some wisdom.

I'm not gonna put out You know what I want or whatever. I want to just receive something and I receive something very divine and so I'm sharing this with Neil and I tell him what it is and I say I received I am Wait, I belong [00:26:00] to no one Not no one, like nobody, but no one person. I belong to no one and I am home to all.

And from there, he's like, you're making this a book. And I'm like, dude, I just received one sentence, two sentences, right? Six words or whatever it is. Not a whole book.

Will: every journey starts with the first step.

Karen: Molly. And what a first step. That is a beautiful message.

Shanna: Isn't it? it

just, it got me for days because that can mean so many things. Like home can be so many things. It could be the earth. It could be within yourself, you know, I, it just, it could be mother earth. I, I think I felt the mother earth. I felt that feminine presence, mother earth and that, but then as I pondered on the message and then not belonging to no one, you know, I've said that before, because I feel like people want to own you.

I mean, even marriage, what is that? I mean, no, it's a contract.

Karen & Will: Mm hmm. That's

Shanna: I really

Karen: an agreement.

Shanna: like, you know, this belonging, like [00:27:00] I don't belong to anyone. You know, and just like my children. So I've really practiced nonattachment over the years because I really do think it's like the root of all suffering like some Buddha or Dalai Lama said, which is whoever said it was amazing.

And so I just feel like. I belong to no one, you know, and it just made me think of women

Karen & Will: hmm

Shanna: you know, how we've been suppressed. It's just, it was such a powerful meaning. It did. You know, it really was divine and Neil thought so too. And I definitely was going to add it to the book that I was already writing.

Will: So, what, I mean, tell us about this book, what, what is it about? When is it coming out? Uh, how can we get a hold of it?

Shanna: Yeah. And you know, I, it's like one of those things, I don't know if it felt like it was never going to end. I was like, cause I kept receiving stuff like this and I'm like, well, it's never going to end. So, so it actually came to me that it'll probably be triple, like three books. I see a triple goddess series.

[00:28:00] So, which is the beginning of my journey started with the triple goddess. Um, That whole synchronicity of the trouble goddess. So Sophia, it's desperately seeking Sophia So it but if you think about when I say Sophia is wisdom So desperately seeking wisdom and there's a big difference between wisdom and knowledge I mean you probably understand that you know, I mean very smart people are also the stupid people Often

Will: Mm hmm. Yeah. Usually, actually. Mm

Shanna: yeah, so but you know wisdom is also I think something that is divine and found within Right. It's not something you'll read in a book. So I'm not, I'm not asking anyone to find wisdom in my book, but I want them to seek, seek it within themselves. And I'm just going to share my story of how I did. And through that story, I will be sharing like the history.

of the Gnostic Gospels, Sophia and all the other divine feminines that have been buried, hidden.

Will: fascinating. I, I, have to admit, I [00:29:00] don't know a lot about Sophia, other than the fact that it was the female version of God, or whatever you want to call it. But other than that, I don't know much about it. Some, Really curious about this book.

Karen: Yeah, I mean you don't really hear about

Shanna: sure. You know, it's really funny that nobody knows much about Sophia, but at one point in Turkey, where Christianity was once started in Turkey, that was the, you know, the biggest church that Constantinople had ordered was called Hagia Sophia, which means holy wisdom. It's still there But you know, when I was watching the beginning, there was like, um, some news guy that was like in Ukraine, right there in the middle of Ukraine. And he's like, I'm standing in the back and here in front of the St. Sophia Cathedral. I'm like, who

St.

Sophia Cathedral? Like what? Who? You know, there is no St. Sophia. That actually, I've actually dug really deep to find out if there actually literally was, but there wasn't. And so, somebody knows something. We've just been kept in the dark a while,

Will: Right. Well, I mean, we [00:30:00] go down that, go down that crazy rabbit hole of all the stuff that Constantinople did, for Christianity and how he shaped it into what it is today, based on fear, in control. Uh, you can understand why he made it a saint instead of an actual personification of, of female version of God.

I don't know, but

Shanna: Yeah.

Will: so I'm curious because you have talked to a lot of people, and you've gained a lot of Sophia, a lot of wisdom along the path of your show. is there a, an overlying message that keeps repeating itself while you, when you're doing these shows, is there something that we really need to get out there that, that maybe we're not doing as good of a job doing?

Shanna: Oh, that's so interesting. I don't know if it's like that for you guys, but mine seem, these messages seem to come. Almost, I don't know if it's like every year there's like a theme of it or if it's, you know, I don't know if there's, if it's in between these shifts, but there always is some sort of theme where I feel like everyone's bringing like a message.

[00:31:00] So that is interesting. And I feel like right now the message has been, this is just totally random. So it's always changing, but like I've had a lot of. Manifestation like, you know, people wanting to talk about like raising your vibration and like literally getting off the hamster wheel of, following the conditional these conditions and these ancestral patterns.

And when you do, you're just kind of free to believe that the world is limitless. And there's so much possibility and I think that everything that, we're shedding has been keeping a small and almost like when you think about like the more we let go, like the brighter we get and the more we get closer to like who we truly are.

And I feel like that's like the evolution that's happening in each individual's life is going to help the planet.

And so I think that that's kind [00:32:00] of been the big message that's been this year for 2023 is that we need to move into our highest self. So that this is like our responsibility to help the planet.

Like if you want to help the planet, you got to do you, you have to. And that's, that's all you have to do.

Will: I've listened to your show. Also, I'm subscribed to your show. And a lot of times I've heard you say that when you're having a guest on your show, it, it, it's almost like you were researching something and all of a sudden, boop, here's a guest along those, that, that topic, that kind of thing.

is that still happening or, uh, is that still? it?

Shanna: I mean, it's ridiculous. Okay. I can't even tell you. It's so crazy. It's so crazy. And I just feel like when your vibration is high like that, like mine's been lately really super high, I feel like you're in that flow. And so you're like synchronicities and the dreams and things are lining up [00:33:00] and everything just seems to be fitting together.

And then you'll get sick or something and you can tell the difference. that nothing's happening right now, and then you rise up again, and so I think that for myself staying away from all of the Negative stuff and just really being in my zone with podcasting has really kept me sane Truly yeah with all the negativity out there, uh

Karen: is hard to deal with the negativity, but we did have one guest that really kind of what she said just kind of hit me. She was talking about how It's not that it's good to see that, I mean, my interpretation is it is kind of good to see all this negativity because her take on that was this is showing you who and where you need to send the love to and, and when you see all this negativity, that should be an impetus for you to be kinder in your regular life, you know, be complimentary of people, be more loving, so now I kind of use it that way.

I'm like, okay, all this is going on. I need to really, I need to be a really [00:34:00] good person so that hopefully that will kind of Spread through so it can, yeah, I mean there's so many different ways you can kind of take that or, you know, and sometimes you do, you just got to shut it off because it's so overwhelming, but I'm trying, I feel like this is kind of the world we're living in right now.

So I'm trying to, in my way, sort of take it a little bit different. I don't know if it'll make a difference. We'll see.

Shanna: yeah, I'm looking at everything different. I don't look at anything the same anymore You know, like, you know, we have Thanksgiving and Christmas and all these things and I'm just like we're so just in the consumerism Of all of it and but you know what when people start saying I'm not going to celebrate that anymore I'm like, but thing is is that Have you really been celebrating like pilgrims and, and the natives or have you just been getting together with your family because I mean, I know that the holidays really are just family for me, you know, and I mean, of course, I, I definitely educate.

My kids, you know, I was driving my son to play football last, [00:35:00] Thanksgiving. That's like their tradition. They go back to high school and they all meet together and play football together. And he goes to Cherokee trail high school. So on the way there, I'm like, just know that when you're running around that field on Cherokee trail, he's like, yeah.

But it's

Karen: You know, you have, you have this very kind of wonderful energy about you and this wisdom and this soulfulness, and you know, you talked again about you. Catholic upbringing and, and all of this, I want to know, what was it like? Because now you're talking about the downloads and the messages that you're getting, and they're very impactful.

What was it like the first time that you realized you were getting like a message or a download? I mean, how, how did that come across and how did you accept it?

Shanna: Hmm. I think that the very first time I had an experience was shocking because I wasn't really sure what was happening. I was out in my garage and I think I was smoking and my best friend had just died. [00:36:00] I'm one of my best friends. I knew her since she was 12 and I was so sad. I was super sad. She had just died like the day before.

And all of a sudden I hear, my name, but I hear my real name. So my real name is Shannon and I hear Shannon. And I was like, well, I probably just said that to myself. I was like, did I just say that to myself? And then I hear no Shannon. And I, now I'm hearing her voice and I'm like, am I talking to myself, you know, in my, in my head, this is all happening in my head.

And she like told me all of these things like that she could visit me in my dreams and that she needed to go be with her babies. She had just had twins 11 days before she died.

Karen & Will: my goodness.

Shanna: also had, a child that was Kinsley's age at the time, I think like three, two or three. And she had a 19 year old too.

That happened and I remember it was, the time was weird, like I remember there was so much we talked [00:37:00] about, but I was only in, like, my cigarette was still going, like, you know, time was weird. And so I went inside and I remember thinking, did I just have this? So I, I knew this lady who was. Um, a psychic, it was one of the baseball moms or something, she actually still is.

And I called her and I told her my experience and she's like, that's exactly what happens when I receive. And I was like, really? Like I had no idea. And then I was scared because I was like, am I going to hell?

Karen & Will: Right. Oh, wow. Right?

Shanna: Yeah. Cause I mean, I was scared. I didn't know if I should be playing with that. You know, I thought, Ooh, not that I ever didn't ever believe that people could do it. I just didn't know that I could do it. And I wasn't sure if I should be doing that. And then I had people telling me stuff like, Oh, it's cause you're meditating.

And opening yourself up to that. And so it just, it took a long time for me to shed the conditions and for me truly to step into being okay with that. [00:38:00] And, and I do see a lot, I would say that my strongest, way that I receive, like my Clare is not audio, like Clare audience. No, no, no, no.

I'm more clairvoyant. I see things a lot more. So

Will: Really?

Shanna: I would say I see visual and also physical.

Will: So, when you see things, like, what kind of things do you see, like, ghosts, or do you see, uh, future events, do you see visions, what do you get?

Shanna: all of it. So yes, I do. We all, my whole house, these stuff, all my girls, especially, we all say things and we all seem at the same time, which is kind of validating. But every time I do sessions or meditation, they're very, very vivid or I've had past life aggressions. We're talking like movies, like, Very clear in color HD.

I see very easily and I think I always have. I've had a great imagination. I just didn't know that imagination actually is It's divine in itself that [00:39:00] you

Karen & Will: Mm hmm. Right?

Shanna: your eyes and think about a memory that's, you know, when you're thinking back at a memory, seeing that's visual, you know, and so I do these one session.

So my Reiki kind of evolved, but when I'm doing. Reiki, I usually want to get my clients down to like a theta brainwave or as close as theta as I can, but in between awake and asleep, in a place where they're only taking in and they're not putting out thoughts and stuff. Like they're only absorbing because this is where they're able to receive, you know, whatever kind of healing better.

And so I will walk them through Whatever I see and so I I never ever have like scripted meditation So I I guess you want to say channel. I don't really call it channeling, but I just That's how I do all my meditations. I'm seeing their sacred space. And what I noticed was after like hundreds and clients, you know, seeing the same clients hundreds of times, well, not hundreds of times, but several [00:40:00] times I noticed that I was bringing them back to the same space and it was really only unique to them.

So Karen, if I went with you to this park on that chair, next time I saw you, I started realizing that I was. Always bringing you there, but that I wouldn't do that with well I would bring him to another place. And of course, I didn't notice this for like a year or so It was remarkable but then I started to do the art so I could show them exactly what I'm seeing and Many most of the times it's what they're seeing because we're you know, we're in the same space

Karen: Wow. That's

Will: amazing. So the place that you took them to, is that a place that they, that they envisioned themselves, or they knew before, or all of the

above?

Shanna: Like, it's kind of interesting though. I mean, like I'll bring someone to a beach and that's like totally, you know, what they were seeing or where, you know, where they have memories from when I'm bringing this other person, you know, to a mountain or, you know, to a cabin or [00:41:00] wherever that it usually is unique to them.

It's very interesting. I couldn't make this shit up.

Karen: Yeah. It's a, it's wonderful though. It's wonderful

weird.

Will: Yeah. Like, I'm uber, uber jealous, so, but I'm not gonna, mm

hmm. Uh. Mm hmm.

Shanna: a session one day. I would more than love to bring you into that space.

Will: I think we're going to take you up on

Shanna: should. Yeah. It'd be my gift. I would love to, cause I love to do it. Cause it's just so amazing just to bring you into like this space and just to know that this is your space. Like I haven't been here before.

Like yesterday I had a client, I mean, everything we did. I've never done before with anybody, and that's how it always is. Isn't that weird?

Will: I might be a little worried about what place you go to with me. He

Karen & Will: has a

pass.

Shanna: too. Yeah. Some people are more galactic than others. I mean, it's just very interesting.

Will: Speaking of that, what has been the most, like, fall on your face [00:42:00] shocking, yeah, shocking thing that you've learned throughout the course of doing the podcast?

Shanna: Hmm. Most shocking thing. I would say that it probably is ancient text. I mean, I know that sounds silly, but it's actually not, because I think the ancient text actually proves that we have root races that are galactic. And that ain't, you know, angels are aliens. That's my belief. I think that there's a lot of evidence in this.

And, and I would love to go head to head with anyone who would like to challenge me on it.

Will: There have been discoveries or theories or whatever you want to call it about the the possibility that there have been multiple Extinction events for humankind.

Like we are not the first time around this rodeo, right? There's been three, four, five times that humanity has risen and died because we, [00:43:00] um, Blue each other away or, or just evolved out of ourselves into we are now, but all those relics and all those, fossils and all those things are, are lost to us. so there's, uh, there's a school of thought that says that, originally back in millennia ago, we all actually were populated on this planet from aliens.

So inevitably we are, could all consider ourselves to be star seeds, I'm sure. You have had many conversations with people who claim to be starseeds and who are from galactic origins, but estimation, are we all

Karen & Will: aliens?

Shanna: You know, I do wonder if there was some sort of human or earth, breed, I'm calling breeds, earth lineage. Um, but I think that if there was, they were quickly bred with. You know, so that might not, I don't, I don't know for sure on that one. However, I definitely think that when you're talking [00:44:00] about like anything that has any kind of like higher intelligence or had the capability to make pyramids and stuff like that probably wasn't the ones that were here that were the human ones.

So they may have been more like cavemen. I don't know, but I do think there was a, you know, an intelligent. you know, group of beings that came here, I mean, it literally is in many books and, you know, now, you know, if you read some of the Sumerian texts, I mean, they align with the Bible, which actually gives some credit to the Bible itself.

So, um, some of the stories, I mean, you know. Look at, um, so I think it was Inky's wife's name was Nin, Nin Two, I mean, Nin means life, Two means rib, um, and she was like the first, to give life, you know, here on earth. there's the stories of the flood, but you know, what I've been studying and following lately has been, there's polar shift, that's on the rise and they say that it could be because [00:45:00] of a pull of this planet X or Nibiru planet that's also mentioned in the Sumerian text, which they say that is, we're on a cycle with this.

And so this would be why the deluge or the destruction of the earth was happening and it happens in a cycle.

Will: Mm hmm.

Lovely. Mm

Shanna: are part of that and really I follow them every day. I follow Suspicious, uh, suspicious observers. Oh my god. He's great. And you know, no one's looking at this kind of stuff But yet they know what the moon is every night and it's like no one's worrying about the Sun Which yeah is

Will: it's what gives us life,

right? It's the most important body, uh, in our skies,

Karen & Will: but it's scarier

Shanna: I agree Karen. I'm with you.

Karen & Will: like, Oh God,

Will: gosh. Well, I love talking to you, Shannon. You've got an incredible energy. I [00:46:00] almost every guest that you have on your shows is the same thing and you do, you do, you have this wonderful, soothing energy about you.

That is. Just so welcoming. If someone wanted to reach out to you, whether it's for an intuitive session or Reiki healing, or even if it's just to listen to your show, what's the best way for someone to do that?

Shanna: senseofsoulpodcast. com.

Will: Okay.

We're going to add. that link to our show notes. So if you want to just go to skepticmetaphysician. com, go to Shanna's episode page, you will see the link laid in there, along with her social media links. So you can get connected in every way possible. Shanna, thank you so much for coming on the show.

Thank you for being so wonderful. Thank you for being part of the Ethereal Network and thank you most importantly for being our friend.

Shanna: Thank you. I totally feel like y'all are my friends Thanks so much for having me and for inviting me to be a part of ethereal network. I love

Karen: It's been a pleasure.

Will: And a huge thank you to you. We know that there are tons of options out there and having you decide to come along on [00:47:00] our journey of discovery with us is an absolute honor for us. iF you know someone who would benefit from hearing the message we're sharing on the show, do them and us a favor and share the show with them.

It will help get the word out about us and it might just change someone's life for the better. Well, that's all for now, but we'll see you on the next episode of The Skeptic Metaphysician. Until then, take care.