Healing the World Through Spiritual Awakening

Will: HEy, you. Yes, you. Are you meditating wrong? In this episode, Karen and I sit down with spiritual leader, Reagan Thompson, to uncover why your breathe and chill routine might just be selling your soul short. Reagan spills a tea on energy centers, auras, and why your heart is more. Than just a love pump. So she also guides us through the real secrets of connecting with our intuition, embracing our soul's purpose.

And yes, even finding our signature meditation style because one size fits all is so last century. Plus, we dive into the cosmic combo of science and spirituality, collective healing and saving the world One mindful moment at a time. Tune in for a lot of wisdom, a few laughs, and a little existential recalibration.

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Will & Karen: Hey there, I'm Will. And I'm Karen. And welcome back to Skeptic Meditations. Today we are thrilled to have Regan Thompson in the studio with us today, uh, talking about, gosh, what are we not talking about? She is an incredibly inspiring spiritual leader that, uh, is so involved in helping the world, raise their, vibration, their frequencies.

Uh, she's going to actually help us to answer all the spiritual questions that everybody has out there. So strap your seatbelts because we got the actual expert on the show today. Reagan, thank you so much for being on the show.

Ragan: Thank you so much for having me. It's so awesome to be here. Thank you. Mm

Will & Karen: um, I think since you, we know you have so many of the answers and we are so woefully short on answers. We want to tackle it, the typical topics right off, right off the bat. Karen and I [00:03:00] have been doing the show for just about four years and we have been struggling to find a way to that spiritual awakening that everybody's talking about, trying to find a way to access the, the peace, the mindfulness, the, all that kind of stuff that people talk about, but we keep getting stuck in the 3d.

And so I think probably the, the biggest help. that I need from you specifically, Reagan.

Ragan: hmm. Just just me.

Will & Karen: dot. Do I have to say anything else? So, so what

Ragan: Lots of different help.

Will & Karen: and everyone says that like the best way to start is with meditation. I totally understand that and I've been meditating for a while, but what's the missing piece? Like what, what is it that's going to actually take us to the next level?

Ragan: Hmm. That's a great question. Thank you. Well, okay. So first off, um, so much of the challenge with all this, [00:04:00] right, this beautiful work of inner work that leads to what we hope to be the case is an awakening. A spiritual awakening is that a lot of folks on the planet are meditating, um, in a way that maybe is not as serving.

Let's just put it that way. Um, it's good to meditate. Absolutely. Dropping in taking a few minutes to breathe and connect and go inward. That's super wonderful, right? It's just good to connect with yourself and to drop in and just take a moment. And even if it's just to take a moment and go, how am I doing?

What's happening with me today? That's something, but that's, it can be taken to a much higher level than that, right? It can be taken to a level where we begin to leave our mind And that is where a lot of people don't feel comfortable going. And so, um, initially the mind will be what brings you to the meditation.

What helps says to you, you should meditate right now. It'll make you feel better. Right. And you're like, maybe I will. It's like, you're literally having this conversation, right. With [00:05:00] something or someone, and it's probably your mind and your mind has information and has knowledge, but what it does not have is wisdom.

And so a lot of people have not tapped into their innate wisdom. the innate wisdom of their entire being right there, their soul essence. And a lot of folks have not even connected to their souls, right? So for someone to understand even what that means, they'd say, okay, well, then I have to believe in what I have to be religious.

I have to be, no, you really don't. It's, it's, it's, it's pretty much known to be pretty scientific at this point. chakra centers. We have, we have energy centers. We have a body that if you really check into some of this stuff, you're going to start to see that we are made up of light. We're made up of energy.

Um, there's, there is this connection more than what's going on in our body. Our flesh is one thing. Our skin is one thing. But there is so much more going on internally within us. And so when we start to connect into the energetic body, [00:06:00] what I'm, what I'm saying is if we can leave it, the mind is going to try to rationalize this stuff, right?

It's going to try to make logical, reasonable sense of what's called the soul. But when we drop out of the mind and we drop into our intuition, We really drop in and we listen. We're going to be like, wow, what is that? What is that inner voice? Where is it really coming from? What is that outer voice? In fact, that seems like it's guiding me or is giving me direction for safety or for protection.

Sometimes it's the, it's the voice that you're about to take the right hand turn, but you don't, you take the left hand turn and you find out there was a car accident over there and it was blocked for. You know, hours and you would have been stuck, right? So there's the, there's the intuition that is listening to this guidance somewhere.

And that guidance is being, if we so choose, listen to, and therefore guiding us, directing us. And it's our energetic body that's connecting to all of that. It's not some sort of mind based. interaction. And as we drop in, the reason why we're going into [00:07:00] depth with this is we start to drop in beyond the mind into the intuition and then dropping in to listening on a, on a, on a higher level, like an intuitive kind of deeply receptive level where now we're starting to connect into something deeper.

We start to connect to our hearts, right? And so we're asking that meditation start to be practiced more by the world. Okay. And from the heart space. So, and, and it can go even deeper than that, which is really cool. It can go deeper than the heart. It can go into the depth of connecting to your soul. And there is a doorway.

There's a doorway behind our, our heart that folks don't even know about. And we have been studying this for a long time and I'm not the only one studying it. Many ancient teachers, um, you've probably seen many icons. They, they direct their hand to here. Right. Jesus, Mother Mary. These are all just master teachers.

They're not unlike us. They just did their inner work. So they're like pointing. [00:08:00] This is, this is where it goes. You know, so when we pray, when we meditate, we, we ask folks to, to connect to their hearts, connect to that space and start to breathe and fact, and maybe drop in a little deeper behind their heart, which is where the seat of all of our souls reside.

Will & Karen: hmm. So, sorry, you have a question. I was going to say, so, would you know if you're, if, if this is happening, because sometimes I'll meditate and I'll feel like I'm just really deep in it and I'm just, um, you know, and I'll come out like, oh, that was amazing, but maybe I didn't like, is it obvious if you've connected to your, your soul or to, if you've dropped in deep enough?

Cause I don't know if I'm doing it right or wrong. What does it feel like if you do it right?

Ragan: So cool. Well, here's the great news. Yeah. If you have a good teacher. I feel like I've helped a lot of folks with this. Um, someone who understands the work I can, I mean, we can share it just like this, that we're sharing with you and, and we can go into a meditation, a guided meditation, [00:09:00] and we will help guide you to that space.

And do you feel something different? Absolutely. You feel something different. There is a instantaneous. I'll just go with all the feedback we've heard over the years, right? All the folks that have said, I don't know, am I doing this right? Right. Okay. Am I doing this right? Is this, as soon as they let go of the, am I doing this right?

Right. The, the mind, just so you know, the critiquer will be the one that's saying, am I doing this right? Am I dropping in? Right. Am I supposed to feel this way? What am I supposed to feel if we can let go of the mind chatter? That's the stuff that we're talking about with meditation. Why people are like, well, I'm not having the spiritual awakening.

What is happening? I'm meditating. I'm really trying. It's like, okay, well, there's a piece here that's missing, which is just that. And it can be as easy as just saying, I delete that. I discard it. I just wait one moment. Let me, let me practice. And it's, it's a dropping in. It's, it's a letting go enough, just even if it's for a few moments.

That, that space, that, that drop in, [00:10:00] that I call it kind of two intuitive steps back behind the heart. If you give yourself that moment, there is this, which is, and this is not just my understanding or my experience. I've asked many people, um, we teach this work consistently. There is this moment of transcendent bliss.

There's a moment of like, whoa, like euphoric, like a lot of folks like to try to find this in drugs. Right. They're like trying to find what we're describing. They're trying, this is what they're looking for. They're looking for this moment where they're like, Whoa, I feel so amazing. What is that? And what's happened is their mind's taken a backseat.

They've connected with their heart and their soul. They've had a moment, even if it's an inkling, there's a moment where they felt this deeper connection to all that is. It's a deeper connection beyond the body. It's a deeper connection to their, this timeframe of like, Oh, I have this body for a few years.

And it's all of a sudden there's this like, Whoa, I'm not just this body. [00:11:00] I am something way more than that. I felt that. And, and I believe, and I feel some of the greatest way to feel that is to start doing more soul activation work as which we, which we teach.

Will & Karen: So when you do that and you get to that point where you are, I guess you call it behind the heart, which is a really cool way to. You say it and you are an empty vessel for lack of a better term. Is that the place that people go to that channel? Is that how you then move yourself out of the way and let something else come through you?

Ragan: So that's also a great question. Um, our soul is consistently in connection to something even greater, right? It's like, well, what else could there be greater than the soul? It's not better than when I say greater. I'm just saying there is an, there's a presence, there's a power, there's something that is.

connecting to the soul to kind of create this unified light that is now able to connect with with more than that, right? Can connect to channeling beings. Sometimes people channel [00:12:00] different divine teachers, masterful beings, angels, guides. Um, there is a, there's a soul, there's a connection to the soul that is connection to what we would say.

Spirit to God, right? Some people say God, some people say a higher presence. Some people say universe, some say creation. We all say it different ways, right? And there's, but there's something. You know, there's something there. And people are like, what is that something? It's something that pulls us out of this 3D mundane day to day flesh, you know, our body, our flesh, it's like something beyond me.

This greater meaning, this depth of something that is beyond this body, beyond this 3D for a moment. So that connection to your soul and then now saying in a surrendered, letting go, allowance state, right? Like saying like, okay, now I'm ready to be guided. I'm not, the mind's not telling me what to do. I'm, I'm out of like the, the self, the personality, the [00:13:00] identity, it leaves, it gets out of the way, which is more mind based kind of the, the mask we wear, right?

The, the shoulds, the have tos, the, the need tos, the supposed tos, the, I am this, I have to be this, I'm a mother, I'm a sister, I'm a, I have this money, I've got this body, I'm skinny, I'm not, it's this. Yeah. Right. At some point you're like, it's gotta be better than that. Right. It's gotta be. And so, and then, and again, we've got all these beautiful teachers and folks that have traveled this planet and they've written books and they've shown us like, this is the way come here, you know, connect with your heart, connect with something greater than, than, than all this, because all of this is impermanent.

That's, that's one of the greatest teachings, right? Like this, we live in an impermanent world. If there is no, you can't cling on to anything, why would you want to do that? You can try, but it's going to change. You're right. We're all aging. We're all going to die. Right. We're and it is a fact. [00:14:00] So, so when we connect to how we're saying what we're saying, it is, it is like not fearful to die or age.

Cause you know, it's just a part of it.

Will & Karen: But do you know it though? Do you know it? Because I know you do. And I know probably Karen does.

Ragan: Yeah.

Will & Karen: not so sure. Right. Um, my entire life I've thought when you die, that's it. Light out. Party's over, uh, and over the years, Karen has shown me the way of, of just by deciding that there's something else beyond it, it makes, makes me move through life happier because I don't have this fear of death or hovering over my shoulder.

But when you say something like that, where, you know, we're going to, we have nothing to fear. Yes, intellectually, I think I understand that, but pragmatically, how can someone wrap their mind around that? How can someone know for sure?

Ragan: Well, [00:15:00] um, first off, I

Will & Karen: all the easy questions. I know.

Ragan: no, no, it's, they're all, they're all great questions and helpful to share with folks because I know that can be challenging to work with someone who's like, how do you know?

Will & Karen: All right. I'm just going to call it out. The gremlins are out in force today. We actually just got like booted off the entire system. So obviously the conversation we're having right now is super important and whatever it is that's trying to stop us from having it. All right.

Ragan: I agree.

Will & Karen: uh, okay. So we were talking about being sure, how can we be sure about, um, when we die, there's, there's others, it's something else other than just lights out.

Right,

Ragan: Mm hmm. Well, first off, um, I hope by now, I mean, with the amount of folks on the planet that are doing such great energy work and past regression work and past life work, we would know that hopefully they're not all making it up. And especially if you work with one one path, I mean, I, I really hope like, Oh, you know, but I'm just, [00:16:00] I'm just, I'm making a joke, but

Will & Karen: but No, but you're right. You're

Ragan: I also work with past life work too.

So, I mean, I've done a ton of past life oriented work with folks. And so. Again, this mind, man, it tries to get in the way. It's like, I don't know about that. Can't really trust that, that, that, any of that type of doubt, any of that, like that, like critiquing, it, it is the very thing that tries to Get in the way of truth.

It's the very thing that does not want to see into all that is to the interconnectedness of all beings. So to oneness, right? This powerful principle that's been passed down by ancient wisdom, ancient traditions. Like it is in every book. It may need, it may have been rewritten some way in different religions or something, but like, you'll find it in there.

It's across all, all boards. It says the same thing. It's just been diluted or convoluted. Maybe a little bit in some way. Um, and, and then, and then you come back to the center of what it really [00:17:00] says in all books and all things. And it says, we are. Luminous light beings. We are immortal souls. We have, we will never die.

We are impermanent. We are, we are impermanent, meaning on the 3d realm, we are immortal beyond the 3d realm. So it's, it's like one of the ways that I know that, I mean, I was raised by the way, very Catholic. I was raised and religious. Yep. Raised very Catholic. And, um, at 18, I felt very guided to not get confirmed.

I was like, I want to go and explore. I want to go find out what religion, what, what do I believe? What, where do I stand? And I felt very connected to, =um, God at the time and Jesus. And, you know, I was doing all the good work. And then I went to, um, get my, um, bachelor's for a while in religious studies and went ahead and just started studying all the different religions, you know, really exploring.

Where do I fit into that? There's one thing that I know that I, I stayed with, [00:18:00] because in everywhere I looked, it was the same principle. There was something in there that said, we are far more than this body. Just please know that. You are, the kingdom of heaven is within you. You are, it's not out here, it's in here.

You are, you are. And you know, Jesus said it too. Jesus said, um, don't try to worship me. Don't be, don't be like me. You are me. Like he made it very clear. There's very, very specific teachings. Like if you study this stuff across the board, all the ancient teachers said very similar things.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Mm-hmm . These things are much more can you do mm-hmm . Right.

Ragan: Right, right. Yeah. And so I am in deep appreciation for all spirituality, all religions, wherever anyone lands. But what I pray for them is that they feel that connection to something greater beyond this 3D world. Because I think in that connection, And also it'd be really nice if they believed in reincarnation because [00:19:00] let's just be, you know, Not that forever that has to be =more because the truth is eventually we can transcend the 3d world We can move beyond like Jesus is no longer in a physical body and Jesus is working with us on a consistent basis Let's use that as proof.

I mean if everyone's connecting so much to Jesus, he's materializing across the planet We've heard about these truth. Jesus can do it then we can do it

Will & Karen: Well, I, so I've heard something really interesting the other day. Someone said on a show I was listening to, they said that Jesus, it was, everyone's waiting for the, uh, Christ to come back, right? Mm-hmm . The return, um, Jesus to return, and they said, you know, Christ. has returned. If you look around at all the world, Christ consciousness is popping up everywhere.

You hear about Christ consciousness everywhere. So maybe that is the second coming of Jesus. It's the Christ consciousness popping up across all of us because we all, like you said, we are all one, right? [00:20:00] We're all Jesus.

Ragan: Mm

Will & Karen: so the act of us waking up is the act of Jesus second coming. I like that. I like that too.

I just thought of it now.

Ragan: hmm. He's waking up right now.

Will & Karen: I know it's just,

Ragan: It's all happening right now.

Will & Karen: I think, I think I found that, that lane. I think I,

Ragan: I hope that we can help with the late. I agree with you actually very much. And um, I feel that what you're sharing, um, there is a beautiful book. It's the Christ consciousness within. Um, I believe it is by yoga Nanda, the beautiful teacher, um, spiritual teacher. Um, I believe it's the resurrection within something like the Christ resurrection within it.

I hope I had the right title, but it's, it's a thick, it's a thick read and he is diving deep into that. And there's other, other wonderful, beautiful, I would say higher consciousness, more divine reads that ==they're saying a similar thing. They're saying that, you know, there is a lot of talk of [00:21:00] Jesus coming back and returning.

I feel, you know, that's how it was a long time ago, but I think Jesus has never left. Right. Right. And, and. And that there has been the really the gift that came from his wonderful work a long time ago was, um, the love, unconditional love brought unconditional love to our planet. Right? So that love of which has been somewhat challenging for people is starting to, people are like, Oh, I'm starting to like, love myself without condition.

So I feel like there's been a tipping point with that. And I believe that's the Christ consciousness.

Will & Karen: And that's, that's the key. And that's also the most difficult thing because without you loving yourself, you can't love others. Right? So that's the biggest thing. So, which ties into exactly what you were saying before about meditation is, is finding that emptying the vessel and then that, that existence, that.

Consciousness that you find yourself in is what really gives you the knowledge that there is more to us than that because that that [00:22:00] existence in and of itself shows us that we're more than our ego, for lack of a better term,

Ragan: Yeah, absolutely. And, and it's, I mean, it brings such depth, right? Love and meaning and purpose. I think that's a really big piece to it all. You know, it's like, I'm not talking about the purpose of just waking up in the morning and being a mom, which is a beautiful purpose, but =this deeper conscious purpose.

Like, like, um, so some of the soul work we do with folks connecting with their souls and starting to really live and lead from their soul's essence, not from their personality, not from their identity, not from their self, lower self, but from their higher self, from their true divine soul self. As they do that, they start to connect into their conscious purpose, more like the purpose they came in with before they even took a body.

Like more like their souls lessons, like they're actual, like I signed on the dotted line when I came into this body. That's why I [00:23:00] decided to come back. And this is what I really came here to learn about. So everyone's is very unique, right? I can, I can remember some of mine, right? And I have many. And since I'm a more of a, let's say I've been on the path a little longer than some, it means that my lessons are vast.

It doesn't mean you have less lessons. Mine are like, I can remember 50 lessons. It's like, Oh, unconditional love, self acceptance. Acceptance, you know, mastering forgiveness. Like, it's like, Oh, you have three lessons, right? You've been doing this a long time. Like, no, I have, I have 50.

Will & Karen: I'm just hoping there's no, there's no big final exam at the end of this because I don't know.

Ragan: Unfortunately there's not, isn't that amazing? There is no judger. There is no critiquer is, but it, it is there as far as we understand, and this is, this conversation's obviously going a lot of different places, but as far as we hear and we understand and we do some medium work and we work with people when they transition and, and there are sometimes they're not transitioning as well that, that when they transition and they're crossing over.

There is always what's called an [00:24:00] evaluation and it's an assessment. It's not a judgment. It's literally a review of their life. I'm

Will & Karen: term evaluate, evaluation to me is like being valued, right? Did you do the right thing or did you do the wrong thing? And I, I'm afraid that I'm maybe on the wrong side of that. So

Ragan: Oh, I'm not feeling that for you. It's a review. I'm going to, I'm going to go with, I'm going to, I'm going to change the word

Will & Karen: Well,

Ragan: system. I deleted that. No mind. No, I'm just kidding. Um, so no, it's, um, A review is the best way to put it. It's a beautiful, soulful review, right? You go, you go inward.

I mean, I've seen this and many folks, it literally looks like a screen like, like pictures being shown and, and they're really fast. The review is very short. It's not like you spent there for like in a, in a chair for hours,

Will & Karen: there, there is no time. So it might take [00:25:00] forever. It just feels like a second or might be,

Ragan: It doesn't appear to be exactly

Will & Karen: be like the cliff notes,

Ragan: Yeah, I think it's the cliff nose. I think it's where we got a little snagged, you know, like, you know, maybe you're like you were having a challenge with, you know, um,

Will & Karen: I want to see the good parts, not the snags

Ragan: I think you

Will & Karen: and I'm going to be embarrassed.

Ragan: see, you see all of it. I think there is like a beautiful celebration of all that you, you learned.

And then there's those little, Oh, okay. And, but the cool thing is, is that The ego has now left the body when you transition there is no more ego and the ego and the child cells and ego parts They're not there. This is just the soul and connection to spirit connection to this higher energy, right? So there is no there is no judgment. There is no critique. That's why I wanted to mention. There's no ego that's the judger, usually, is the ego.

Will & Karen: if, if the soul and the energy is love. And, [00:26:00] and that's how we start when we come and we go back to that. And we always talk about the lessons that we're here to learn. If we're already love, why do, what, why do we need to come here to learn lessons?

Ragan: hmm. Well, as far as we understand, the soul loves to take a body. And the soul is always evolving. It's always evolving. And we leave off within our criteria of what we learned from the last life. So as much as the soul is just pure love and all these things, right, it seems like why would the soul need to take a body?

The soul actually does need to learn these lessons to evolve. that's how it's been designed. So like God is basically, okay. So I don't, I wish to not always use the word God because some folks don't connect to the word God. So this higher energy, this force that moves through, it's like it is, it is moving through as is moving through us, right?

We are like the experience of this energy is moving through us into a human form. Right. And so [00:27:00] that's the soul getting to experience. This higher energy through it, right? So if you want to, I mean, literally it's like this beautiful, powerful, omnipresent energy is having this experience through us, right?

So that soul and each soul, which is so cool, are unique and divine. And there's billions of them and no one is the same, right? That's amazing. Like no soul is the same. That's why it's so important for someone to be like, why does it matter if I express myself? It's like, Because you're the only one that is you.

You are, and you are a. You are a fractal of the one, you are a piece of the overarching tapestry of life, like you're what you express what each one of us express is not the same as anyone else. So it's so important. We are interwoven as a tapestry here, right? So here we are expressing through, you know, God or whatever creation universe is expressing through us.[00:28:00]

And so into the world, right? And so the soul is like, sign me up. I'm ready to get in coach, like, you know, it's like once to, once to have the experience and, and in the 3d is where that happens and, and, and this is not an easy plane. We are not like the earth plane is not the easy one, as far as we understand.

Right. There's other planes of existence. This one is.

Will & Karen: Like the hell planet, right?

Ragan: saying, this, this 3D dimension of this planet Earth is, it's the school of, you know, of learning.

Will & Karen: Hard knocks. Yeah. So, so put me in coach, but, but at least when you, when, when coach puts you in, you can actually wave them off. Say I'm going, I'm tired. I need to get into military school.

Ragan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if you graduate from this planet, you can pretty much do anything. Like you've got your bachelor's, you

Will & Karen: All right. I like that.

Ragan: right. You're like, okay, I got this. So, you know, that's why I think, um, [00:29:00] we do have these wonderful examples that were, you know, brought forward. And, um, there's Buddha there's, you know, I mentioned Jesus and, you know, there's, There's mother Mary.

There's, there's, there's other teachers, master teachers that came and are a part of a lot of our literature that we get to read about and they say similar things. There is a criteria of learning. You know, you'll start to, you'll start to map this, you'll see, oh, okay, it's about self love and it's, it's about self acceptance.

It's about forgiveness. It's about, you know, um, the healing of all duality, polarity, aversions, attachments. Like there is, there are some amazing teachings. And so we, we are not like left here going, oh, I don't know what to do. It's a matter of we choose to do that, right? If we choose to dive in and go, okay, you know what, with courage, I'm going to start it.

learning some of this. I'm not only going to, um, to learn it from an intellectual standpoint, but I'm going to start practicing it. I'm going to start bringing it into meditation, to prayer. Uh, for some [00:30:00] people, they really enjoy that. Um, I'm going to bring it. I'm going to go to retreats. I'm going to start going to my yoga classes.

I'm going to start breathing. I'm going to start doing things that help me drop in to that space we were talking about. Right. And, and I don't, and I, and that practice of the space behind the heart, you know, this beautiful space, that is a practice. It doesn't happen immediately. Sometimes it's, it's a practice like

Will & Karen: yell.

Will: We need to take a quick pause, but we'll be right back right after these messages.

Will: And now back to the skeptic metaphysicians.

Will & Karen: A lot of people will listen to shows like this or read a lot of books and just expect it to come to them by osmosis, right? By listening or by, it might help a little bit, but you actually, you, we talk about it a bunch of times that you've got to take action. So the people that we [00:31:00] talk to, the books that we talk about, the, the activities that we experience, you, you, someone, Um, just listening to the show is not enough.

You have to actually take action, reach out to someone, do something to make it happen. So um, it's, it's a, it's a good reminder. Um, and you mentioned the choice. The first step is you have to make that choice, right? Because a lot of people out there. Um, have come to this planet to evolve, but don't make that choice.

And a lot of them is because, like me, for a very long time, didn't believe in any of this stuff. Oh yeah, right, right. Reincarnation. Come on, give me a break. How's that possible? So then, if you are surrounded by people like that, And we hear a lot of times where, oh, thank God for your show because you make me feel normal.

There's nobody like you around me. There's no one like me around me. So, if you're by yourself, it's important to reach out to community. But, but what kind of advice would you give to someone who is sitting in a pocket where they don't find anyone that [00:32:00] is open to these types of things, who hasn't made that choice?

Ragan: Well, the great, I mean, we live in such a different world right now. I mean, we live in a world where there's some excellent facilitators. Like on the, on the touch of a button, there are some really beautiful teachers and healers that you can just start accessing a healing group that might be interesting.

I myself teach lots of classes online. I mean, just engaging with something, you know, usually there's a group in town that's doing maybe a breathwork class or there's a, um, a meditation group that could just check out, you know, get to know some people that are doing that very thing. Um, there's usually in any community, someone's doing that at this point, you know, some sort of.

healing group of some sort. Um, I mean, there's such a plethora of resources now online. I mean, you just type in the word metaphysics or spirituality and you're going to, you're probably going to get an enormous amount of information. And then it's about trusting. your intuition. So [00:33:00] that is like, whoops, can't let the mind do that.

Right? Like, but that, that is that practice, right? It's a beautiful practice. Like, okay, I've, I've, I'm researching this meditation group. There's five of them. I'm reviewing it. I'm trusting myself, my intuition, and I'm choosing this one. You know, it's like, we got to start somewhere, you know, starting to trust.

And, and then, you know what, just You know, it's like putting your foot in the water. You just, you just test the temperature and you're like, you know what, I, this feels, I tried it and it's feeling good to me, or this wasn't for me. I'm going to try. And there's so many different healing modalities. You know, I'm a meditation teacher.

I help with breath work. There's emotional freedom technique. There's, you know, tapping that's tapping on meridians. There's so many great techniques out there. So if something doesn't feel good to you, check something else out. You know, there's, there's ways that people heal and learn and grow. And uniquely for them where it might not work for someone else,

Will & Karen: that's a great point, actually, because it does a lot of a lot of folks who [00:34:00] are tapping into this type of stuff are afraid of the woo. There's a lot of woo out there that is very much like, what are you talking about? But things like EFT and things like that, where it's very rooted in scientific, um, not even theory, but, but proven techniques there, there are a lot of things you can start with to start kind of.

Cracking open the door for lack of a better word, you know, to do things that, that's what happened with me just little by little, just find a little something and make your way up. There are so many, so many rabbit holes I can go down every question I ask you, uh, five more pop up, but, but I've got to, I've got to talk to you about.

I have a question. Oh gosh. Okay. I have your rabbit holes.

Ragan: Thanks, Karen.

Will & Karen: I have my rabbit hole. Um, this is just something that I don't know what it was that you said, maybe wonder this, but originally you're talking about how we're luminous beings and you work with energy. And so we hear about, you know, people needing to raise their vibrations and raise their energies and hear about aura.

Is that the same thing? Like if, when you're reading someone's [00:35:00] aura, is that the energy you're talking about or are they two different things

Ragan: Um, so we have energetic bodies that have light within them, right? So, um, yes, our, our energy systems have beautiful. If you'd like start to really read energy and you start to see the chakra centers, they can have colors associated with them. Um, it's a way of saying that, I mean, As these immortal beings, we are made up of this energy and this light, and we literally have a light capacity, meaning like, um, so you've probably heard the term enlightened.

Someone becomes enlightened. So, um, what that really means is their highest capacity of light was obtained, right? So any of the dense energy in our system, which is caused by usually by unprocessed wounding. pain, past pain, wounding, karma, trauma, drama, you name it. Energetic trapped emotion that never got processed or, um, [00:36:00] feelings that are just kind of on the surface that are sitting inside the body, literally blockages that are starting to get stuck in the energy system, almost like a spoke in the wheel, not quite letting it like really move in.

It's, it's, um, unison chakra is starting to have this beautiful flow of energy. So why we're saying all that is because, Of which we have not processed that is past oriented, um, typically is more of a dense energy field. So like we'll say like we're made up of the shadow or made up the light. We're made of the darkness.

We're made of the light. The more dense energy we could call it darkness. It is. It's almost like it takes up a space in our energy system like a, um, it doesn't allow the light in. Right. So

Will & Karen: sludge?

Ragan: yeah, like sledge. Right. And with energy work and healing and meditation each time, it's almost like it transmutes some of that.

It moves it out of the body. It leaves by literally, if you saw it on a screen, you would watch dense energy leaving the body and light moving in. [00:37:00] So the light of which is all that is the interconnectedness, all beings, this beautiful light world we really live in, but we think it's all about this 3d. Yeah.

It's, it's, it's like, as we, um, there's dense bodies hold that energy because they are dense. Um, but we can permeate through our skin, through our flesh, through the light work, right? Through the energy work. So light of spirit, light of creation, light of universe, because it's all, we're all connected, right?

We're connected to this energy. It comes into the body, moves up against what's dense in our field. which usually by our surrender to it, our, our, our choosing of choosing love, choosing to forgive, choosing, it opens up a space. It like, it's like the light comes in, it moves up against, let's say it's where you're working with your heart chakra.

It light comes in and that energy, like the light is so much more powerful than the density or the darkness. It's like it meets up against it and just dissolves it. It's like instantaneous. So amazing. I mean, again, check any book, any teachings of [00:38:00] the true ancient masters and teachers will say, The light is so much more potent and real.

Then this dense energy, this dense energy is just like an amalgamation of past beliefs, past fears, worries, doubts, insecurities, things that we didn't know how to process at the time. So it got stored in our energy system and that's really normal for a lot of folks because we weren't taught typically by our parents to do this.

And if they're not teaching it in school from day one. Then most likely we're not knowing how to process that pain, that energy as it rises. We just store it. We're like, Oh, that hurts. I just, okay. Put it under the rug. Hopefully it'll just go away. Right? Like I'll just, I'm not going to think about it. It's like, well, meanwhile, you know, maybe it was a kind of a traumatic experience and it did really hurt and you didn't get to express your feelings and you get to bet you had emotion and your parents like, don't cry.

What are you doing? You know, whatever it was. And you're like, okay, yeah, I'm fine. You know, this, this I'm fine stuff. Meanwhile, that energy is still trapped. [00:39:00] So that of which, you know, okay. So what, what did really happen for Jesus? What had happened for Buddha is they did their work. They, they let it all go.

They surrendered it to something else. They said, please help me. I need help. I, by the grace of spirit, by the grace of God, by the grace of creation, they healed. They, that light of which they truly were inserted inside of their bodies and they were just pure light, which is an enlightened being.

Will & Karen: And you kind of have to think that they were probably already pretty well awakened when they got here. I don't think this is something that, that would you get to the point that they were in 33 years, right? That, um, you definitely, there are some people that say that they were already awakened when they got here.

So that would make a lot. A lot of sense. Mm-hmm . Um, okay. So I definitely want to touch on the work that you are doing with the world Systems solutions. You're deeply involved in collective healing in world Service, so can you share [00:40:00] how your work there is actually is helping to create positive global change?

Ragan: Yeah, absolutely. Um, I've been serving in world system solutions for the last few years. Um, it's one thing to work individually with folks, but I love to work on a collective scale with the world. Um, and that's exactly what we've gotten to do. It's been a profound. journey. Um, so our organization is all about building of a more conscious, it's a spiritual, more conscious organization at its core.

We don't speak of that as much, but the beginning couple of years was all about us doing our own inner work, really being prepared to hold that crucible. So we wouldn't be jarred by the outer world really. So groups of, um, spiritual teachers and healers and environmentalists and scientists and lawyers and doctors all in one space.

Will & Karen: Oh, my,

Ragan: You know, working together collaboratively, we're all about the conscious collaboration as the antidote to solve, which is what we've been working with is the climate emergency with the environment. So we [00:41:00] see the environment, the disconnect really from humans to nature is what's caused that, right, our disconnect to nature.

And so our organization's about helping people reconnect to their soul, reconnect to nature, um, start to care about each other more. So we do a lot of work around education, public workshops, forums, summits. Um, redesigning of education worldwide to map to global sustainability really at its premise is just a bunch of amazing lightworkers, earth keepers, wisdom keepers coming together to solve the most pressing world problems through loving and caring for

Will & Karen: Wow. So, so, so just light work. Nothing, nothing too

Ragan: Just a little something, a lot of

Will & Karen: the world, that's all.

Ragan: Pretty much. It's been, yep, I served there. Um, I've done all kinds of fun things. Um, women's empowerment, conscious parenting. Um, I've been on the educational design team. We have a team process. I'm [00:42:00] a chairperson of the board there. Um, a lot of energy work to, you know, I've done a lot of the meditation work for the organization.

Um, so of other facilitators, you know, I'm not the only one, but yeah, I've done a lot of, um, we do a lot of ancient Sanskrit mantra, um, doing that work together. Um, yeah, it's been a really amazing experience.

Will & Karen: Yeah. It sounds like it. It does sound like it.

Ragan: Yeah. Thanks.

Will & Karen: You mentioned having scientists and things like that involved in this, in this organization. How did they take your woo? Because you're pretty woo, right? So, how, are they, are they woos, sciento woos? Or are they, uh, does it mean that they're more open to this kind of thing?

Because sometimes scientists can be a little like, hmm,

Ragan: Yeah, I don't typically run into scientists like that. I really do feel I think that because we attract of which is within us, you know, I think maybe when I first started this spiritual journey long time [00:43:00] ago, I feel like sometimes I'd run into people would be like, Oh, this is a little, you know, I don't feel like I run into that much anymore.

Um, I feel like what I'm attracting is scientists that are more open minded. And I think that there's There is that that exists, which they might say, I don't know if I completely believe all that. And then there's almost like you cannot deny so much of it now, you know, if there's just too much information, there's too much wisdom coming to the table.

We didn't have, we didn't have all these resources before. We didn't have the online capability to read and see all, I mean, there clearly is a massive spiritual awakening happening on our planet. There's no way for scientists and we like, I'm. And once again, I, I can't explain that

Will & Karen: Right. Well, also, when you're dealing with energy, I mean, scientists talk about energy a lot, like was it E equals MC squared? Yeah, but you could, but the kind of energy that they're working with, you can measure. I know, but, but it's still energy. Yeah. You know, so that, that kind of makes, uh, it, it provides a door, I think, for the science community to come in.

A [00:44:00] crack in the, in the egg. In the cosmic egg.

Ragan: Yeah. Yeah. And we want to welcome all peoples into the door, right? Like everybody has their piece, everybody has their place,

Will & Karen: Right. Everybody's,

Ragan: parts of a whole.

Will & Karen: yep, everybody's different. Everybody has a different path. Mm hmm. Everybody fits. It's a different puzzle piece. Yeah. Into the overall whole of everything. And, um, who are we to say that our way is the only way? I mean, if we're all connected, we need those puzzle pieces. Right. Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. That, that

Ragan: that's one of the beautiful diagrams that we put together for the world system solution was we literally have a puzzle piece diagram where everybody's connected in a puzzle. So, yeah, I mean, we need, we need all people's voices, their, their, their message, their perceptions, their divine light, because here's the thing.

Not everybody connects. the same way to this stuff, right? And so like, okay, well, I feel like I connect more through the scientific doorway. Oh, I connect. We wish for people to just feel a connection, you know, [00:45:00] and that they feel like something. And again, like if we're an amalgamation, which we are of all of our people.

Yeah. Again, for whoever believes this, uh, amalgamation of all of our past lives coming into this now, which is really what is being sold here. And so here we are, this amazing soulful being that has had who knows how many lives. right? Who can believe this? And then you land here and you're an amalgamation of all the teachings that you've ever experienced.

All the lives, all the loves, all the losses, all the traumas, all the pain, all the process material, all of it, all here now. Okay. That makes up who you really are. Right? So if someone is entering into the doorway, specifically of science as a soul, then I would say that they've got a past timeline that says this is important.

So let's let them continue to walk through the doorway. Maybe in their past lives, they had a lot of success as a scientist, or maybe they didn't have success and they need to come into this life and have that success. They're like, [00:46:00] this life, I tried to teach this thing and now I am going to do it. You know, so no matter what you say to me, I believe this, right?

So there's something about getting me the need to express ourselves as we do in each life.

Will & Karen: Right. And every life, they say, if you were a successful scientist in a past life, you might be a less successful one this time. So you can experience both sides of the coin, which would explain, I must have been super successful in my past life. Now it's all cleared up now. If they say that energy is neither created nor destroyed, when you die, something has to add to that energy.

So then you can come back. Right. Because it doesn't just go away. Right. And then you can come back. So, like, as a scientist, maybe that, you know, can help ease that understanding. Yeah.

Ragan: that's powerful. Yeah, I like that.

Will: We need to take a quick pause, but we'll be right back right after these messages.

Will: And now back to the show.

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Will & Karen: So, is this organization something that people can join to help or are you more in, in the likes of serving others? Like, if someone wanted to join up and help in some way, if they were lightworkers or some were scientists or something like that, want to get involved, what would be the best way for someone to do that?

Ragan: Um, contact myself if you'd like. I mean, I'd be happy. There's plenty of ways to, um, volunteer to be a part to, I mean, really, we want as many people as possible to collaborate with organizations, um, peoples with whatever expertise, talent. Um, it really is that our organization is also an amalgamation of various perspectives.

And, um, we, we believe that in order to solve a pressing world problem, we need all voices, all people's perspectives. We need indigenous people. We need, we need ancient practices. We need modern practices. We need, it's really, it's really whatever we've been up to, maybe not as fully. It's been working so well.

We're still kind of in a serious [00:48:00] climate crisis. So, and not that none of those initiatives are helpful, but what we feel is sometimes they're separate from each other. And so, you know, if we could start to unify forces. That would be so helpful. And if we can get past our egos and, Oh, this is my organization.

This is your, we're like, Hey, we are in this together. This is our planet. This is our home. Right. And you're a great job. We're not trying to take this from you. We're just like, tell us about you, you know, tell us about what, how can, and you know, who knows someone's doing something similar. We could help each other, you know, we could help each other succeed.

So at this point, I think with what's going on in the world, we really, we really need to get past that. I think we can see it's it's time. So yeah, there's ways to volunteer to be a part, reach out to me. I'd be happy to introduce you to the organization and you can learn more.

Will & Karen: And we, we, we haven't even really touched on a lot of things that you do. You are a spiritual teacher, but you are a healer. You do, I mean, you do so many things. Um, I would encourage anyone who's listening or watching this to [00:49:00] definitely take a deep dive in your site because there's a lot of resources out there in, in, in your platform that, that you give to folks to really dive into these types of things.

And of course, we're going to add a direct. Uh, link in our show notes to your website, but, uh, is that the best place for someone to reach out to if they want to connect with you directly?

Ragan: I mean, I have a YouTube channel. I have an Instagram. I mean, I have all those places linked in the, all the above, but I do feel like my website is an excellent resource channel. Um, um, I do, once you get signed up, if you want to, um, I do offer a 21 day free journaling experience for like awakening. And then I have newsletters I provide with ancient wisdom and information on, um, The upcoming celestial climate with the full moon.

Like I try to help people connect to their daily existence through energy work and also connection to the celestial energy on a consistent basis. I think it's very potent, powerful work. It's been very assistive in my life. So that's [00:50:00] there. Um, I have free podcast. I had a podcast show as well. So I have my podcast shows.

I have, um, lots of audios there. I have a whole selection of content. That's free. There's meditations there. So I do a lot of guided meditations and then the feedback I'm getting is it's very transformative for people in their lives.

Will & Karen: actually, getting back to that, that's a good point because when you're talking about we started the conversation with meditation and a lot of folks feel that. I mean, so guided meditations really do it for me. Whereas Karen really needs more of a silence, right? For her to connect with herself. So, um, I'm assuming there's no really right way or wrong way.

It's whatever calls to you. Um, but some folks feel that guided meditation maybe doesn't get you behind the heart because you're not alone with yourself. You're not emptying the vessel, so to speak. Is that?

Ragan: Well, I mean, here's the thing, like it's really wherever someone's at, you know, I, I obviously, I practice both, you know, and I really sometimes enjoy even myself working [00:51:00] with a facilitator on a guided meditation to have them take me on a specific journey. You know, if it's a dive into the soul space, right, or working with Forgiveness work, right?

I'm working specifically to do forgiveness. Some guided meditations could be excellent. You are like, no, I really have not forgiven myself. I really am having a hard time forgiving my ex-husband. You know, there is specific meditations that will take you on a journey to do that work. And so for someone who may be especially is new to meditation, it could be assistive to start with guided, um, even intermediate.

But the advanced it's it doesn't really matter. But again, if you're just starting out finding a facilitator that you feel that their voice, their energy, as you connect in, you're like, Oh, that feels really good. You know, I'm dropping in a little bit, you might work with someone else, but like, not so much.

So it's there really is kind of a soul to soul connection point that you'll feel with certain facilitators other than others. So I encourage exploring different, you know, and there's [00:52:00] so much content, um, online. Um, I'm also on insight timer. If you've ever been on insight timer, there's so many beautiful facilitators there.

So, you know, there's just such a plethora, but I, I, I find that the guided is great when you're beginning. And it's also good if you're looking for a specific kind of, I don't know, I'm working a lot with like, I feel very triggered, right? I'm making this up. Like I'm feeling really triggered right now. I'm having a hard time.

Some meditations will really dive into the depths of that pain, you know, and start to process it out. Um, you know, I do a lot of purifying cleansing meditations. I do a lot of energy work in my meditations. I help you go into your chakra centers, clear them. So It's just, and, and, and silent meditation, it's like a wash over of the light moving through and it's, some people are really good at really letting go and being quiet and still sometimes that's new to them, so that's not as easy.

You can do five minutes of that quietly and then maybe do a guided. It's really where everybody's at, but I don't [00:53:00] see one being greater than the other. They're very different.

Will & Karen: just connected the dots for me and there's no reason to pick one or the other, right? You can do both. You can do guided and then do silent or silent and then do guided or whatever. It's, it's, it's whatever suits you best. That's a perfect way

Ragan: Yeah. Silent. I feel like I got really into beginning. Which is interesting. Usually it'd be like later. And then I was just like going in, you know, I'd be there for a long time. I was like, wow, this is amazing. And then Guided came online and I was like, this is so beautiful and assistive. And then I go back to Guided and then I'm doing both.

And I mean, here's the thing, we just want to get out of our own way and just be like, you know what, I'm just trusting that this is what I need. You know?

Will & Karen: it's funny because I'm a Gemini and I can't do one meditation for too long because I get super bored. I go like, Oh, I fall asleep because I'm no longer listening. So I literally, I have a list. of different types of meditation I, I follow. So this day is going to be this one, this day is going to be this one, this one.

So it's a, it, every day is different, it's a different [00:54:00] type of meditation for me. Probably should limit the amount of different meditations, but right now it's working. So I'm going to, yes,

Ragan: Go with what's working. Yeah. And we had such a beautiful full moon, um, on the 15th of this month in Gemini. So, um, yeah. Um, also be aware of duality, right? And they like, this is a good meditation. This is not a good meditation. This I need to do this. I shouldn't do this. Like, I like this. This is good.

Like duality, a lot of Gemini work. So, um, yeah, I think just really just, yeah, just trust. Like we get into this place where we have not been listening to ourselves. So it feels a little rusty. You're like, I don't know if I like, I I'm hearing, should I do this? Do you think I should do this? What are you doing this?

Like, like, really? Like, hold on. Let me check in. Yeah, I'm hearing this is really good for me. I'm doing this. I don't need anyone to tell me it is

Will & Karen: And that's key. It's going in and finding your own, uh, your, your own intelligence can tell you, you just have to be, [00:55:00] you have to pay attention. Yeah. You have to be connected enough to really understand. Yeah. Yeah. To hear.

Ragan: listen to listen. Yeah, listen. And we don't, we like to talk usually, but we don't do a lot of listening on our planet.

Will & Karen: Guilty. So,

Ragan: yeah.

Will & Karen: uh, so it is, uh, Reagan with two A's Thompson with no p. com. We're going to add a direct link in our show notes. So if you, uh, miss the spelling, just go to skeptic, metaphysician. com, go to her episode page. You'll see the link directly in there. So it's easy for you to connect, really urge you to go find out cause she does have so many resources on her site.

Ragan: Hmm.

Will & Karen: you, you have picked a new follower. So, um, you have, I'm sorry, you have picked up a new follower. Not that you picked me, but you know, but maybe you picked me, I don't know. But, uh, two followers, uh, um, so, uh, this has been wonderful. And, um, so like. Uh, simple and yet deep in so many different ways.

So we really appreciate your time and your wisdom, uh, and we [00:56:00] love spending this time with you.

Ragan: Me too. Yeah, that was super kind. Um, thank you for your kind words. And, um, we appreciated the time together too, so much. And, um, it was a great conversation and it was flowing and easy and we like those. Um, it's just an honor to serve and to share with the world. So thanks for helping with that.

Will & Karen: And thank you for what you do for the world too. It's super important. All right.

Ragan: Yeah. You too. This is great. Good job.

Will & Karen: You too.

Ragan: Okay. Thank you.