Unlocking the Spirit World: Evidential Mediumship

Will: , [00:00:00] Karen? Yes. Do you know how an evidential medium differs from a regular medium? Nope. Well, I'd be lying if I said I knew what the difference was too. So that's why in this week's episode, we brought in the expert on evidential mediumship.

She says that connection to the spirit world is an ability that lies within all of us, not just the chosen few. And she's putting her money where her mouth is by teaching people literally from around the world how to uncover their own gifts and access the support and unconditional love of the universe.

That's perfect for you. Sounds like a good episode, right? It does. Well, it does to me too because Karen, when it comes down to it, mediumship matters.

I wish I had a winky emoji in audio form right now.

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Will: Anyone else out there having a hard time clearing their minds these days? Now, most of you know by now, hopefully some of you know that I've recently changed jobs. Well, it's not actually technically a change. It's different responsibilities were I was overseeing just one territory at work for a long time.

Now I'm overseeing the entire East coast, so that comes with three additional markets I now represent. It's a tremendous amount of work that's been laid at my plate, and because of it, I'm having a hard time [00:02:00] sleeping. I mean, understandably so In my previous life I used to be a perfectionist, and there's still a little bit of that inside me. It's the fact is I'm somewhat competitive. Now, I do like to be successful, and I know all this is ego driven.

I understand that, but intrinsically, it's who I am, right? It's in my fiber because that's how I've been programmed to be. So the fact that I've got four markets now that I've gotta develop, well that should give pause, but I'm driven to be successful. So, When I don't have enough time in the day to work out all the problems and figure all the answers out and service all the clients that need to be serviced in that day, when can my mind process all that stuff?

Of course, when I'm sleeping, this means that I'm not sleeping very well these days. As you can probably imagine, I'd say probably the past few weeks, because my mind is constantly active. That's also been affecting my meditation practice. It's very hard for me these days to clear my mind enough to just be, [00:03:00] and the times when it happens, it's glorious, but they're snippets. They stick around for like 10, 15, maybe 30 seconds, and then I'm right back to thinking, thinking, thinking, oh, I do what every mindfulness meditation teacher tells you to do, which is just acknowledge that you're thinking.

Release it and go back to not thinking, and I do that and I'm successful to a certain extent, but not as much as I was before this whole change of work thing. What I'm finding is the more I focus on the fact that I'm thinking, recognizing that I'm thinking and acknowledging it and then moving it aside and going back to not thinking, well, the more it seems to stick.

So the reason why I'm telling you all this is because I know sometimes it's difficult to meditate or focus on whatever it is you need to focus on because we're all super scattered these days. There's a lot going on in the world, a lot going on in our lives. So it's understandable, but hey, stick with it.

Now, I can tell you I'm not there yet. [00:04:00] I'm still having a hard time clearing my mind, but I have noticed that the more I stick with it, the more I acknowledge the thinking and release it and just go back to trying to just be. The more it sticks, the more it opens up, and hopefully sometime in the very near future I'll finally be able to get back to that all-encompassing piece that I had every time I meditated before all these changes.

I have faith that that's what's gonna happen because every time I do it, it sticks around just that little longer, maybe a microsecond longer, but I feel it. I can feel it. It's getting longer and longer the peace that I'm feeling. So if you're experiencing something similar, my advice to you is stick with it.

Just do your 10 minutes or 15 minutes, or 20 minutes or 30 minutes, whatever it is that you do in the morning, the middle of the day, at night, whenever you do it. And if you don't meditate, I urge you to do that, obviously, to try it, pick up a practice. Because I found that meditation changed my life.

I know a lot of people say it's difficult, it's boring, it's blah, blah, [00:05:00] blah, but. If you need help, there's help out there. There really is. And if you stick with meditation with a practice, over time, you're gonna find that suddenly you're much happier with it.

Anyway. If you're already meditating and you're having a hard time clearing your mind, just be patient with yourself. In fact, have no expectations of what your meditation practice should be. Allow it to be, whatever it is. If your mind is racing, racing, racing the entire time, hey, let it race because at least you're taking time to do nothing but think and let your mind race.

And little by little, if you recognize or realize that you're thinking, go ahead and just acknowledge that you're thinking, release the thoughts, and then go back to not thinking. And the more you do that time and time and time again, the more you'll find that it's easier and easier and easier to clear your mind.

Over time, you'll find the peace that we've all been striving for. I have faith that that's what's gonna happen, and I [00:06:00] wish you the absolute peace. That we all want to find. Okay, off my soapbox, let's get onto the interview.

Hi, I'm Will. And I'm Karen. And this week we have with us the International Phenom Hannah McIntyre. Hannah is an evidential, medium spiritual teacher and host of the Mediumship Matters podcast. Her down to earth, no-nonsense approach to mediumship, appeals to people around the world who are looking for easy to understand teachings delivered with lotts and lots of humor.

She sounds like she's right up our alley and she works with live audiences in the UK and internationally online to demonstrate mediumship and to prove the continued existence of the spirit world. We are excited to learn where this conversation's gonna take us. So welcome to the show. Hannah McIntyre.

How are you?

Hannah: I'm great. Thank you so much for that amazing introduction. Oh, I'm so glad

Will: you [00:07:00] heard it. I wasn't sure. We're on a different platform, so we're hoping that things go well. Uh, so bear with us if we have some technical challenges, but anyway. we had the pleasure of being on your show a little while ago and had such an amazing conversation that we could not wait to get you on ours.

let's answer that first question right off the bat that we touched on earlier in the show.

For those that may not know the difference, what exactly is an evidential medium?

Hannah: Uh, well, I think lots of mediums work evidentially, but for me, an evidential medium is somebody that works with proof. Proof, undeniable, indisputable, proof of the continued existence of the spirit world. So, the way I liken it, and I, I know this might be a trigger for some people for my first answer, but here has.

Here we go. Is that when you are working with spirit guides and, uh, so the way that some mediums work and the way that sometimes I work when we are giving messages or readings, there is that kind of gray [00:08:00] area where you could talk about things that do apply to your sitter and are true and are correct, but could also apply to lots of people, for example.

You've had a bumpy journey with twists and turns in the road, but I can see you've been working on your healing and your energy, and now you're moving into a new phase, which could very much be true and evidential to that sitter, but is also probably true to most sitters. When you work with evidential mediumship, you are bringing in indisputable proof of the person you are communicating with.

In the spirit world. So if you've got a grandmother that rides a motorbike and smokes a pipe, that is a yes or a no. There is no, well, I can kind of understand what you mean by that. She either rode a motorbike or she didn't. So that's where I think evidential mediumship differs from other kinds.

Karen: Oh, well that is right up your alley.

He is always wanting the proof. Even when it kicks him right in the face, he still doesn't see it. So this is.

Will: Perfect. Nancy. I was just gonna say, this [00:09:00] is going to be a fun conversation because, you know, you have, you, we've had mediumship readings before and things like that, and it's like someone in the room has someone by the name of a star with a letter.

M m it could be Mark, Mike must Mustafa, it could be anybody, right? Mm-hmm. So, it's exciting that you deal with evidence, Why would someone who's a medium not then be evidential? Like, why wouldn't every medium do that? Is there, does it call into question some folks? I know this is kind of controversial.

Hannah: Um, well, what a gentle start we're having with this podcast of my own creation. Um, you're getting me back for coming on mine now. Aren't.

Indeed, but the journey for evidential mediumship is hard and it, it's brutal for want of a better expression because you have to be in such a vulnerable space to commit [00:10:00] wholeheartedly to the exact specific thing that you are getting that it. It is a vulnerability and it brings up a lot of your human, uh, there's a lot of that voice going on in your head all the time going, what if you're wrong?

You're gonna look like an idiot. You stood in front of a hundred people right now, you're making this up, you absolute twa. And so it's trying to find, uh, the strength to follow that path. So I worked with spirit guides and, and stuff like that for, uh, stuff like that. Sorry, spirit guides. I worked with spirit guides for, um, Uh, seven years before I moved into evidential mediumship, and it was still such a trigger for me being in that vulnerability of offering something to somebody that ultimately was a yes or a no.

The very black or white nature of it. Does make it difficult. The other thing that I just wanna say about evidential mediumship, which is what makes it hard, is if mediumship worked the way that we [00:11:00] all imagine mediumship working from watching it on the tv, from watching Ghost Whisperer, from Watching Medium, where somebody in.

Human form is speaking to a spirit who is speaking back like I speak to you, then there is no excuse for anything to be wrong. It should all be a hundred percent right, but of course that isn't how it works. People in spirit do not have voice boxes. They are not speaking to us. They are sending an energy to us, which we are interpreting, which is where it becomes difficult because when you say to people, I'm in evidential medium, they say, great.

Tell me my Nan's name and her date of birth. Which would be fine if they could speak, because if they could speak to me and I hear them like I hear you, then that would be expected. But it's more like playing energetic shards. I'm sure guests on your podcast have mentioned that before. They're sending information, sometimes pictorial, sometimes in feelings, sometimes in words, sometimes in knowing, and you are doing your best to [00:12:00] interpret that.

So it is evidential, but it's not. Like reciting somebody's cv and then you just know what they did and how they did it. It's not quite the same. Does that make sense?

Karen: Yep. Yep. It does. And, and that is such a great explanation because I ask all the time, how do you know that that's not you? So finally, I, I really like the way you explained it because I'm like, I'm just not getting it.

could any medium become. Uh, gosh, now I can't think of the word evidential. Thank you. I'm like experiential. No. Does anybody become an evidential medium? Like do, do they kind of stop themselves because it's too hard or is it really only just certain people that are able to tap into that deeper place?

Hannah: I believe it's anybody. It's bloody hard work though, so I understand. If you don't want to, if I knew, if I knew what. What I know now when I started, I can't say in wholeheartedness that I would've followed the path because it is such a lot of pressure and it is so difficult, and it is so all [00:13:00] consuming and it is constant evolution and analysis and looking at what you've done.

Was it good enough and why didn't I take that further? Why didn't I trust into this bit? Why didn't I do that bit? So it, it is. Pressure. Um, but yeah, I believe that anybody can do it. Um, and it just, it is about being willing to put yourself in that vulnerability. And you are right with what you said, Karen.

It does feel like it's you. It does feel like you could be making it up. It does feel, uh, Fluid, flimsy etol. It doesn't feel like it, it, it is anything other than just you coming up with something that might be absolute pile of hooey. And so you have to learn to trust into that, unfortunately. And it's tough.

Ooh,

Karen: that's gotta be hard.

Will: Mm. Yeah. So have you ever had an. Experience where you are trying to do these spiritual charades as you call them. Uh, you know, sounds like, and that sounds nicer. I, I, I, I almost said Sherrod, but I didn't wanna insult her, [00:14:00] but like, maybe, maybe I'm trying to, you know. No, uh, anyway, uh, in the states, we say charades, but, uh, So, uh, have you ever had a, a point where you're trying to decipher what's coming through and the sitter, and by the way, we should clarify that for the audience that may not know a sitter, someone who you're reading for, right?

Yes. Who you're, who's asking the questions it, that the sitter says, oh, this is a bunch of crap, right? Like, what, what is your success rate on something like this?

Hannah: Uh, it's really interesting because it is a three way. And, uh, I always have to make this guy talk about this.

Will: This is, this is a family show, family show,

Hannah: Hannah.

But it, it's, it is a collaboration. So because it is an energetic experiment, there is the spirit who is always in alignment, and then there is you as the medium. And there is the sitter, the person who's receiving the message, and the energy is a collaboration. And what so many people [00:15:00] expect is for you to instantly get into that deep blend, instantly be able to pull the most specific, amazing piece of evidence out of the hat.

Instantly, and it is actually a process. So what can happen is, at the beginning when you are saying, I've got a grandmother here and I know she liked baking, everyone in the audience goes, uh,

Karen: cause you know, everybody's grandmother

Will: likes baking,

Hannah: didn't like baking. Hannah,

Will: No offense to the grandmas out there who don't like baking, right?

He takes all kinds, but there are lots of grandmas who like, enjoy

Hannah: ba baking, but you would rather have the one that didn't as an evidential than you would have the one that did. And I say that with grand two grandmothers in spirit who are both bakers. So it, um, it, it's that thing where people have to allow you as the medium to get into a deeper blend.

It's not instantaneous and it does have an ebb and flow to it, and that ebb and flow is the result of the energy that is created in that space. So it's partly how the [00:16:00] medium feels and partly how the sitter is responding. So it's a great irony if you come to a reading. Closed off with your arms folded and that go and then prove it kind of energy, it actually makes it harder for the medium to be able to do it because you are not bringing your energy into the mix.

Right? So I do believe you should be skeptic. I do believe that you should be questioning, but you have to also be open and willing to go on a journey with the medium, right? And that's can be the hard bit. And yes, sometimes in readings, because it's normal. We get nos. I get nos all the time. And when I first started working with Spirit, I was like, right, oh no, I'm with you.

And I get nothing but yeses and this is glorious and magnificent and it looks like what I see on the tv, which of course is highly edited. And when I was going out there, what. I know who to guess. Um, when you, when you go out there and people say No, it used to feel like someone had stabbed me in the heart and I'd be like, crushed.

Whereas now I [00:17:00] say okay, because sometimes it can be how I'm describing it, the language that I'm using, the words that I'm using, people are, uh, not quite. Understanding the same meaning behind a word that I understand and that can be a no. Sometimes they've forgotten the number of times people have said no to me in the moment and then messaged me afterwards and gone, oh my God, I've just realized.

Mm-hmm. May I, may I share a story about that? Of course, yeah. We do stories. Okay, so I had a sitter that I was working with one-on-one, and I was talking to her about her mom's ashes. I knew her mother had been cremated, and I kept saying, there's a rose. There's a rose with her ashes. And she was saying Absolutely not.

No, no, no. And at the end of the reading she said, The ashes were completely wrong, Hannah, because we haven't spread them yet. We've only just got them so there's no rose connected with her ashes. And I said, oh, I dunno. What I was seeing, I really felt like there was something to do with a rose. The following day.

She sent me a photo, the container, the [00:18:00] ashes had come in from the crematorium. Had a rose up the front of it. Oh my, my

Karen: gosh.

Hannah: That's so awesome. I know. But in the moment she was absolute hard, complete, no dunno what you're talking about. Absolutely not. So as an evidential medium, sometimes you can get it wrong, but also sometimes you have to allow your sitters to go through a process.

Uh, to understand it. So it's, it's tough, right? Wow.

Karen: Okay. Talking about really kind of taking some time to, to get into that, uh, state so you can, can do these readings now, what is your take on those mediums that you hear about that are in the grocery store and they see some guy buying some potatoes and they're like, ah, your mother has a message for you, you know, you're allergic to potatoes or whatever.

Is that.

Will: Real for those who are only listening to the show. You did not see Hannah's reaction just now. It spoke volume, so

Hannah: I Right. I, there's different frequencies that you can work in as a medium, and this is one of the things that Spirit taught [00:19:00] me that nobody was talking about. And when I was on my journey, I didn't understand so.

Not all mediums work in the same frequency. And if you are working psychically, which to me is energy to energy in this physical space. So it's not communication with spirit in the spirit world, it's working here, it's reading energy here. If you've got somebody that you go up to and psychically read their energy, you can do a passable spirit link because you can feel who they are expecting to hear from.

In their energy, but it doesn't mean it's a spirit communication. It's a different thing. Mm-hmm. And so I think for a lot of those, and I'm not saying all of them because I haven't done enough study to, to. To be able to say anything conclusively. But a lot of the time I think those people, they're working psychically.

Um, and because we know that a lot of them are set up, they are stooges in the grocery store. They're not. So they know they're going to get something. [00:20:00] And of course if you are going to see a medium or you know, you're going to get a reading, you start thinking about who you might hear from and what they're gonna bring through is evidence.

So in your energy field, because you've been thinking about it, is a lot of information about that spirit. So, You can pick that up as a psychic and bring that through, but it is not the same as the altered state that you need for evidential. Mediumship. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay.

Will: Well, um, does that make

Hannah: sense?

Will: It does, yes.

Completely. Yeah. unfortunately we have to take a break, so, give us just a few minutes. When we come back, we are going to talk to Hannah, about how. Someone could maybe tune in or tap into their own gifts, and we'll talk a little bit more about her podcast. Mediumship Matters as well, so stay with us.

We'll be right back.

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Will: Welcome back to the Skeptic Medical Physicians. We are talking to Hannah McIntyre, who is an evidential medium all the way from the uk. She has joined us today to talk to us about how we all. Can tap into our own spiritual guidance. Uh, we've had an amazing conversation so far, Hannah, and I know that we got you on a little bit of a hot seat right off the bat.

So we're gonna now kinda give you some softballs, right? This, this is what you do, right? You help people to, to tap into their own spiritual guidance. Then you believe that everyone can do this. So walk us through it. how can Karen and I start to listen in and hear, messages from the beyond?

Hannah: Okay, [00:23:00] so first of all, for me it's the understanding of where you want to work, what energy you are working in, the frequencies like I was talking about earlier. So, so many people think that we just sort of open up and spirit control what we get, but I believe that we are like radios. We tune into a particular station.

So it's our job to know which station we're tuning into and where we want to work. So if you want to get a message from Spirit Guides, you would. Set that intention. I want to be working with spirit guides and naturally your energy will move into the space that it needs to, to work with spirit guides. I want to provide proof of evidence of loved ones.

In the spirit world, your energy will naturally move into the evidential frequency. Um, so it's about knowing the difference, knowing when you're in psychic, knowing when you're with spirit guides, knowing when you are working evidentially, and then it is a case of trusting. That whatever you get, no matter how random, how weird, how out of context you [00:24:00] go with it.

And one of the things that I'm really passionate about is momentum, because that is what creates the great blend. So when we first start working with. Spirit. We say, oh, I've got a dad here. And then you go, is it a dad? I feel like it's a dad. What if I'm wrong? What if it's not their dad? I better not say, dad, I'm not sure if it's dad.

By which time we've stopped the blending process. It's not happening because we've just held that first piece of evidence and we're second guessing it. So I always say you have to imagine yourself as a bit of an infection, and the longer that you hold on to stuff, the more you infect it with you. So if you want to work in evidential, mediumship, and it works in spirit guide, uh, frequency too, the best thing that you can do is say what you are getting as quickly as you possibly can, often without even really understanding it yourself.

And as you do that, you will build a deeper blend with that spirit. So my view is, at the beginning, you should be bullet pointing evidence very, very quickly, not [00:25:00] getting hypnotized with what you're seeing. Not trying to find a story in it, but very much so. I've got a grandmother here and I know she's a big personality.

She's very loud presence, and I need to talk about her hair. Here having real pain in her hips. And I know she passes of her heart condition. I do feel that she's been in the spirit world for about a decade, if not longer. And she's joined in spirit by her husband. But you wanna be quite quick with all of it, because that is how you start that blending process.

Mm-hmm. And then you want to be moving into a space where you can allow things to slow down. Once you know that you are blended. Gotcha. And so it's always about being mindful of where you feel that tipping point in the blend is. That's gonna give you what you want.

Will: Gotcha. So Karen, I think we found our episode, title Humanity is an Infection.

Karen: Oh Lord. I've dated some bacteria, that's for sure.

Will: Um, I'm sure you meant to [00:26:00] say before Will. Well, dated not married,

Karen: dated.

Will: Let's just clarify this thing. Alright, so, it's almost like free association, right? It's, it's that what I'm hearing, just letting things flow and not attaching yourself too much to it in order for the messages to come through.

Absolutely. Now. Absolutely. Now, do you have to put yourself in a certain mindset before something like this can happen or does it happen to you all

Hannah: the time? It happens instantly. I do not believe in preparatory work. Now, I do believe in a generalized preparation of your own energy. So lots of people meditate.

If meditation works for you, fantastic. But the biggest and most important thing in to me is that you spend a bit of time with yourself. Lots of people find spirit when they're wanting to escape. Themselves. But actually, if you can't sit and be with you, as soon as you get a space to open up to spirit, you're gonna fill it with yourself and that becomes the problem.

So there's an inescapable [00:27:00] self-awareness and self-love that has to be there to be able to move into that vulnerability of evidential mediumship. So often people say to me, what's the first step? And I say 10 minutes by yourself every day, not doing anything, not scrolling on the internet, not trying to meditate and escape the physical just being present with you.

And everyone goes, oh, that's really boring,

Karen: I don't think can do it. Well, nope. Yeah, I have been trying to get him to be bored. Every once in a while. It's okay. Well,

Will: we live in an D, ADHD world, right? We're constantly bombarded by stuff all the time. It's like an addiction. So then when suddenly you have to force yourself to do that, it's almost impossible.

It's really hard to just do nothing. At least when I'm, when I have nothing to do, I'll try to meditate. You're saying don't even do that. Just sit

Hannah: there. Yeah. Don't try and escape so many people meditate to escape themselves. I'm gonna go off now and I'm gonna escape all of my problems and all the parts of myself I [00:28:00] don't like and I'm gonna float around in the ether and it's going to be lovely.

Which it is. It I'm not, yeah, I'm so saying don't meditate, but you also have to be in your human. Present with you, what is your body saying to you today? What is your mind saying to you today? What emotions are rising within you? What memories need you to sit with them and be with them so you can put them to rest?

And that is the problem. Uh, spirit always show it to me like a giant chalkboard and all of our stuff is written all over it. And when we want to communicate with spirit, They will always find a space to write on the chalkboard, but if you want to really hear them and really be aware of them, you have to have enough space on the chalkboard for them to be able to write bigger.

So it's as if they're trying to be seen within all of the noise of everything that's going on with you. So if your chalkboard is rammed full of your to-do list, things to do, your worries, your concerns, this, that and the other, [00:29:00] they will write on it, but they might be writing in the space in a letter A and it will feel really small and insignificant.

The more space there is in your energy, the more you can receive from spirit.

Will: That makes so much sense. It really does. The way you explain it is

Karen: perfect, and it also makes me think that it is that instant gratification of, of scrolling or whatever, but I think it might subconsciously be a culture of avoidance, avoiding those negative thoughts or those sad feelings.

So maybe that's, if you look at it that way, will maybe, it'll be easier.

Will: I, I mean, for me, honestly, Truth be told, it is just really boring. It's just, I can't just sit there for 10 minutes and do nothing but it. Hannah, you, you are saying things that I've read, I've heard many times, right. Eckhart Tole talks about it in depth about just being in the moment and just doing nothing.

Mm-hmm. Neil Donald Walsh, and in conversations with God, God told him about the importance of doing that. I mean, there's all these different teachings that we get, but it's so much easier said. Then done. I guess it's just a matter of, having the, discipline [00:30:00] of just doing it. start

Karen: small, start with a couple minutes, build

Hannah: your way up.

Absolutely. Karen. I mean that's the same with meditation. I'm sure when you started your journey with meditation, if you'd said 40 minutes, come on, you'd have got fidgety six minutes in. How long's it been? This is gonna be, yeah. So yeah. Start with a minute and always, I always. Have my li next to me. So because my brain is an A D H D type brain, it's very active, which is actually good for mediumship as long as you have enough space.

Mm-hmm. So I actually think part of my superpower is the fact that my brain works quickly, is the fact that it's busy. Um, so I always have that, so when I, something comes up like, you didn't take the food out the freezer for dinner, or you forgot to pay that bill, or you forgot to send that birthday card, I've written it down whether it's otherwise, I'll spend my whole 10 minutes going, don't forget the chicken.

Don't forget

Will: chicken. Oh my God, you are so speaking to me right now. That's exactly, oh my gosh. So much. Even, even in meditation sometimes it's like, like I can't focus my mic. I [00:31:00] can't, if I don't like force it into my head, I'm gonna forget it. When I get outta my meditation now I'm gonna be like, what was I thinking about?

What, what's so important I'm gonna do? That's so smart. Yes. I'm gonna, I'm gonna start doing that now. Yay. write down stuff. That's right. Not, not just sit there. I might try, but, you know, we'll see. I know it's, I know the importance of it. I do. Hannah, I would be remiss if we didn't take a few minutes to talk about your show, because I listen to it all the time.

And your show is interesting because you do different episodes of different. Topics. Right? So you do, you share different mediumship readings on your show? You also do readings for the upcoming weeks. you do different things. Every episode is different and I love that. And, it's fascinating because, it's not your typical, metaphysical spiritual podcast.

So how did you decide. To launch this show, first and foremost,

Hannah: abject rage. I bet that wasn't an answer you were expecting. Uh, no, but I

Will: love it.

Karen: I love her. I do too. Awesome.

Hannah: Yes. So much fun. In [00:32:00] the uk, uh, we have. Some very, very famous mediums with big followings. And uh, I was watching one of them do a Facebook Live and I thought, this is amazing.

They've got a million followers. I cannot wait to watch this. And then with no shame, no bat of an eyelash, just absolute. They said, your loved ones in spirit are draw drawn to the energy of shares on social media. If you want your loved ones to come through, I need you to share this, to build a bridge to the spirit world.

Oh, good. Yeah. And I went, that's shameful course with me. Yeah. It was just such a manipulation and, uh, I think spirit, just, I, I know we like to talk about the light and love, but I also do feel that anger can be a fascinating motivator if we don't cut ourselves off from. The emotion as judging it as bad.

It's not great when you wanna go key your neighbor's car cuz they keep parking in front of your house. But it's a useful motivator

Will: [00:33:00] unless, unless you wanna key your neighbor's car, then anger is really useful for that.

Oh, oh

Hannah: my God. But I just couldn't let it go. And I was going to bed and I was furious and I was thinking somebody needs to tell everybody, all these people that, these vulnerable people. And I kept imagining, you know, a mom whose son has committed suicide or something really horrendous. Frantically sharing to try and get hold of their son when that isn't how it works at all.

And she could actually learn to communicate with her son and feel the presence of her son for herself. And it was almost like Spirit just laid this gauntlet down and they said, okay, if you're gonna get this wound up about it, you do something. And I said, well, what can I do? And they, and the podcast came to me.

So I thought, oh, well, no one will listen. It'll just be me getting on my soapbox, ranting about stuff, and it just [00:34:00] expanded. So it's.

Will: I saw somewhere your your what? Top 10, show in spirituality. Yeah. That's fantastic. Wow. Thank, congratulations. Yeah, that's huge.

Karen: Thank.

Will: we're hoping that, you know, by rubbing shoulders with you, we'll, we'll get a little, uh, a little of that magic on our show.

Like, good,

Hannah: let's collaborate. Share. No, I'm kidding.

Will: Right, right. Yeah. Uh, I heard spirit loves share, so

Hannah: bye.

Will: So then who would you say that your show really would appeal to? Who's your, who's your target audience?

Hannah: Oh, that's an interesting question. I think it's anybody that feels like there is more, but is not expecting me to have all the answers. Because one of the things that I feel is really important is the acknowledgement that we evolve and as we evolve in consciousness.

Our understandings can change. So you can [00:35:00] have something that is true at one level of consciousness, and then as you expand into another level of consciousness, it is a different, but also true both things can be true. And so for a lot of my podcast, it's exploration, exploration of things that I've experienced and seen and discussion.

Why is that? What's going on with that? Because. Healthy discussion is a collaboration. It's two different energy points meeting where we can learn from each other. And I think that's something that's really missing in the mediumship teaching that I received when I was a kid. For teachers, it was very much, this is how it is and when I would say, but why?

They would say, we don't ask. This is how it is. This is how it's always been. And so I actually like the why. I like the mechanics. I like the unfoldment of understanding things like spirit, not having a voice box. No one ever said that to me. Right. But it's so obvious when you know it, why it works the way it does.

Mm-hmm. And so things like that, [00:36:00] that's what it's all about.

Will: I gotta ask the question because I'm sure a lot of people out there are curious how you came to know. All this information. How did your, how did your abilities, for lack of a better word, how did they come to you? How did you realize that you were an evidential medium?

Hannah: Oh, right. Well, it's just a journey. My friend, I was a PA to music school minding my own business, and one of my friends came in and just went, I've got your granddad here, and did a spirit link with my granddad, and I knew mediums existed, and even though I missed my grandfather, Desperately. It never occurred to me to go visit a medium.

It was not something that was part of my experience, my understanding at all. Um, and then she did the Spirit link, blew my mind and then said, oh, you should come to my group. So I went to her group thinking that I was gonna watch other mediums work. I thought, oh, I cannot wait to see different people getting messages.

This is gonna be amazing. And when it went round the group and [00:37:00] they went your turn, I was a bit like, excuse me, what? No, I'm just here to be in the audience. This is not for me. And they said, oh, yes it is. And that was it. It just started. And that was the spirit guide circle. So I developed my connection with spirit guides, did reiki qualifications, things like that over a period of a few years.

And then, um, evidential, mediumship. I just kept thinking, I wish though that I could communicate with people's loved ones in spirit, but that's not how my J gifts work. That's not my journey. That's other people's journey. If I could do that, I would know that I could do that, and Spirit kept going, give it a go.

Do a course try, and I kept going, no, no. If you wanted me to do it, I would know it by now, and I would be sent on that. And one day I just went, okay, blow it. Signed up for a course and started. But I have to say, most of my learning has come from spirit guides teaching me, and that is as simple as asking the question [00:38:00] and allowing the answer to come.

All of your listeners. Will be able to get information to help their expansion and spiritual growth. If they ask the question and allow it to unfold, it might not come back instantly. It might not come in words, but it will rise in you as a knowing. There will be something that comes across you on social media or something you read that is a P piece of the puzzle.

And if you stick with it and you allow it to unfold and you don't expect it to be instantaneous, you can do all of your unfoldment yourself.

Will: Hmm. Well, you heard it here. If you want to be able to do this yourself, Hannah, I heard the grapevine can help you. So reach out to her. we'll add all of your links on our, show notes.

So just go to skeptic position.com and go to her episode page. You'll see her website link, her Instagram, her Facebook, or TikTok every, every possible way. You can reach out to Hannah. We'll have on there. so it's easy for you to connect. No, of course. Hannah, I would be again, um, one more time [00:39:00] remiss if I didn't at least say do you feel anything coming through for us or for anyone in our audience?

If you don't, no worries. We can always edit this out, but I'm just curious cause you know, we do have the expert on hand with us.

Hannah: Okay. Right. Let's give it a go. Okay. So straight away, I'm aware of a gentleman in spirit here and he feels like dad to me. So I know that dad passes to the spirit world and I wanna talk about him passing very, very suddenly into spirit.

I do feel this is respiratory. There is a pain in the chest. It's very fast breathing. I cannot catch my breath. I move into spirit and I know that that is. Sudden and unexpected. And I know that it's unexpected because I know that people are unable to say goodbye to him. So I can feel him coming straight in with this acknowledgement that this was missed.

And I do wanna talk about the name Peter in connection with this gentleman. So I feel that I've got a Pete or Peter in spirit here. He would've passed in here. [00:40:00] Early sixties, forgive me if it's late fifties, but it's around that kind of age and he would be a father figure. So I feel like this is somebody's dad coming in here and I know that he has three daughters that he wants to acknowledge and they would've missed his passing.

So if that resonates with anybody, that would be amazing. Let me just, he's, I feel that he passes at home alone and is found unconscious. Wow. So that is okay. I'm very aware of him.

Will: If you are listening to the show right now and this, this resonates with you, we would love to hear from you. I know Hannah would love to hear from you.

So let us know because that to us is fascinating. Mm-hmm. Um,

Hannah: yeah. Gosh. Yeah. And so it's abso would you like me to have a go for one of you two?

Will: sure. Yeah. I think probably the, the person that you would probably connect with the most would be someone from Karen's side of the family. Cause I, I still have lots of mind.

Hannah: Lemme just have a note.

Karen: Yeah.

Hannah: Have lots of mind. I won't [00:41:00] get anyone that hasn't gone,

Will: not do an early warning or anything like

Hannah: that. Never happens just to be.

Right Karen, let me just, we are going, have you got a grandma and spirit here, Karen, that I want to acknowledge with you? Yes. You would understand grandmother? Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. It's better when I'll get interactions. So I'm gonna ask you loads of questions now, so get ready, hold onto your hat. Okay. So I've got grandma stepping forward here now.

I do feel that she's been in spirit for quite some time. I'm looking at somebody that would've passed over a decade ago. She's been gone. Would you understand that? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And she is obviously joined in spirit by her husband who's with her too. So you've got grandma in spirit and her husband also there.

Okay. Yes. Okay. Let me just feel into this. Right. So these two would've been together for a really, really long time. I feel that they've been married for eons. We are looking at sort of 50 years plus here for these two [00:42:00] together. Does that make sense? It does. Okay, good. And she's also making me aware that she would've left.

You've got a ring of hers.

Okay.

Karen: Well, no, but I have two different grandmothers in the same situation. Okay, that's fine. One of them has a longer marriage and

Hannah: one of them gave me her ring. Oh, bugger it. Let me just work not having this. Bear with me. Two sec. Okay.

Right. One of them is married to a gentleman who wears a uniform who would've worn a uniform. Do you understand this? Yes. Okay. Is that the one with the ring? Both Right there with me.

Karen: I was very close with both of them. So maybe they're both here.

Hannah: Yeah. Sometimes I get battle The Nans. Nans are the worst.

I'll be like this to be honest. Spirit though, it's just something that they do. Right? So, This couple come in. I feel that there's an acknowledgement here from them of they would've been around you. I know this might be both, [00:43:00] but bear with me. We'll get more specific. This is how it builds. So I can see, um, that they would've been around you a lot in your childhood.

It feels like you would've lived near them. You would've been in and out of their house. It feels like there's a real closeness in your family with them. So regular contact. Does that make sense? Okay. Yes. Still showing me. This a ring. Okay. Bear with me. I feel it going onto my finger. It feels like it's important.

She's very stubborn in her. Uh, when she knows something, she knows it and she's immovable in it. And I have to say that with her too. Okay. Okay. Bear with me one sec, right?

Karen: Would it have been her ring or a ring that she gave me?

Hannah: Ah, okay. I don't know. I can just feel a ring going onto my finger, so bear with me as I blend with them. We'll be able to get it deeper and get a bit more information for you. Um, let me have a little look here where I wanna go with her.

Okay. [00:44:00] Right. I feel that there is a photo in the family of these two together on their wedding day, which is still kept and is sacred cuz I could see them both standing there in time and he would've worn his uniform in the wedding photo. Do you understand this? I don't, no. Okay. Let me just get a hold of them properly again then.

Right.

There is a photo of the two of them. They're stood side by side. I feel like I wanna be in front of an archway. I can see them both and I know it's important cuz I know that's how they stand in front of me right here. Let me just see what else she wants to show me and I'll build some power with her.

There is a um,

right.

She is showing me a [00:45:00] real connection with Family Tree. Do you understand your grandmother really researching or looking into a family tree? Yes. Cuz this feels important to her. She's very, very proud of her family and her roots and knowing the information and I feel that this is something that she would've spent time on.

She would be sharing and talking about it. This feels important and I do wanna acknowledge here that she's one of four. Is it? Is she one of four? Does she have three siblings? I think

Karen: she had, I think she was one of four. Yeah, I think it was four.

Hannah: I'm not a hundred percent sure. Yeah. Okay. You'll have to look and have a look for me because I feel that she's showing me this sort of plotting backwards and alongside her I can see four like notches on a family tree.

Mm-hmm. So I wanna acknowledge that because there is a feeling of. Family being important, following it back, being important. And would you understand that she had a sibling that passed many years before her? Yes, like many years. Because I feel that she's wanting [00:46:00] to acknowledge that they're together in spirit and this feels important to her too.

Okay. And do you understand a connection with the name Mary or something that would sound like Mary in the family? I don't. Okay.

Let me just keep going with what she showed me about the names. Does the

Karen: picture have to be a wedding picture? Because there was a no picture that was very prominent of my grandparents in their living room above the

Hannah: fireplace. Okay. Do you know if there was an archway behind them in the picture or something that would be, um,

Karen: maybe a, a fireplace below them?

Hannah: Okay. I, there's something up here behind them. It's, it's really interesting how you receive it and you're trying to perceive it. Mm-hmm. Um, but let me just keep going here.

Will: Now I need to interject for just a quick second. The whole Mary thing, in Spanish is Maria, right? Yes.

Karen: I don't know any Marias. I've thought that too.

Will: Other than your cousins. [00:47:00] Your myriad cousins who all have the name Maria.

Karen: Well, I was thinking of my grandmother's fam, like her

Hannah: family. Right. So what I was gonna say to you, cause I think we went off in a little deep here, is if you look back on the video, you will see me going. Cuz I was trying to work out.

Wow. She was taking me two generations below her. Okay, so that would be right for cousins, wasn't it? I have a, and I'm not just saying that's

Karen: name. Maria. You can look back.

Hannah: Been doing all fingers. Cause I was going one her below her. One more below her. Huh? I've got four

Karen: Maria cousins. But they all go by their middle name, so that's why I didn't think about that either they're Maria something and they go, I'll go by the something.

And

Will: that's why I interjected. Cause I, I would, it connected with me right away and I didn't wanna let that go. Yes. Cause I know exactly, I know which grandmother you're talking about. Yeah. Like I knew Right. Almost right away. And you know the picture. I do know the picture and I know, I do know the family and, and, and everything you're saying to me.

And it, it's not even my family. Well it is now I have a ring

that

Karen: she gave me when I was seven. Yeah. And

Hannah: it's. Ah, okay. So I could just [00:48:00] feel the ring being put on my finger, and I knew that that was important. Okay, let me just work with her. Okay. And she tree Now she's got a lot of love to give. Huh? She made a

Karen: family tree thing that she sent out to all the family.

Hannah: Yeah. Oh, I love it. Good, good. So I'm glad that she's able to share that now. She is a lovely lady. She is very, um, loving family. I mean, I know she's made a family tree, but she's also. Fiercely protective of her family, but she could be very straight talking as well. Would you understand this with her? So if you ask her for something, she will tell you it how she feels.

Her opinion no holds barred. Does that make sense? Yep. Mm-hmm.

Karen: Very

Hannah: hardhead also. Yeah. And I feel like she's very much in charge. She's got that matriarchal. Oh my God, yes. She's the pin. She's the one that everyone turns to, her opinion counts and matters and she, she likes that. She's very, very proud of that energy.

Within her. And I do feel with your hus, uh, your husband, her [00:49:00] husband, he is accommodating of that. He knows his place in the pecking order and he loves her. There's absolute love there. I can see it, but she's definitely the one in charge. Would you understand that? Yeah. Good. Okay. Yeah, because I feel that they're acknowledging that.

Now, am I right in saying that he passes the spirit before her? No other way. Bugger. Yeah. Okay. So would you understand there being about seven years difference? No, it was in, it was within a year. Both in a year? Okay. Yeah. Is it seven months then? I'm seeing seven. The number seven. Do you understand why I had seven kids.

Oh, okay. Interesting. Let me, I was definitely, I was seeing it written. I thought it was seven years.

Will: I think our dog is gonna

Hannah: say, do know what that was? I thought someone sitting, breathing on there.

Will: Yeah. That, that spirit saying, Hey, [00:50:00]

Hannah: wow, we're getting some phenomena.

Will: Um, so you, you have been incredibly gracious and giving us all this information.

We don't wanna keep you on the spot. If, if you feel like there's still other messages you want to bring forth, then of course, but, but we, you have been.

Hannah: Unbelievably. Obviously I know your timing so I'm half aware of your timings cuz I'm trying to build that energy with her. Can I just give you her message cuz I feel like yes, I always like to do that for the spirits that bother to try and come in cuz this feels really important.

You would also, Karen, have, um, Something with her handwriting on, have you got a card she wrote you, or a letter she wrote you with her handwriting on? This feels important. I have a

Karen: cookbook that she signed for me. She wrote a little

Hannah: message in the cookbook. Okay, good. I just felt like she was acknowledging that, that you've still kept that because mm-hmm.

There is a real sense of pride here and love here and. I wanna talk about her determination because I feel that she was determined right up till the end of her life and she feels like the kind of person she was very strong-willed. [00:51:00] Yeah. Everyone thought she was gonna move into spirit. Then she got better as she recovered, then she went back into it and she, there feels like this sort of store war strength with her that I just wanna acknowledge for you here and, um, bless her.

She wants you to know that she's okay. I feel that this is important with her. She wants you to know that she's okay, that she's around, that they have found each other, that she has gone to all of her family. Um, so there must be family. Do you understand her having family overseas or family she was separated from?

She's from Ecuador. Okay, excellent. Because I feel that there's this feeling of we're all together. Here we are. It feels like a big family party of everyone reuniting in the spirit world, which is really rather lovely to watch happen. And I have to acknowledge that with her and. You communicate with her quite often actually, don't you?

You speak to her. She's around you. She lets you know she's talking to you every once in a while. [00:52:00] Yeah. I just feel like she's there. She's part of your life. She's acknowledging to me that she's part of that, and she is so very, very proud. She wants you to know that she is very, very proud. There's a real feeling of love.

And I knew she was the kind of person that would tell everybody your news and look at what she's doing. Look at, and she's continuing to be that person in spirit. You know, pulling in a cousin of hers and say, look at her. Look at what she's doing. There's this real feeling of pride and strength. Mm-hmm.

And I just wanna add in here that if ever you are doubting yourself and worried about. Your abilities or needing a bit of a push, she's the perfect spirit to call on because she's such a strong presence. She will just come in and push you forward. So if you need her energy, just ask if she will get you where you need to be.

Ah, you make me

Karen: cry, but that happens a lot.

Will: Thank you. Yeah. Now, now let me step in for a quick second again, because, I think you communicate with [00:53:00] her a lot more than you think. Just by the fact that you do your fingernails in an honor the way that she used to, that, a very particular style. So I think that you're a lot more connected than you think you are.

Maybe. Yeah.

Hannah: Yeah. She, she just, she's just there. She's with you. No separation. So

Will: Hannah, this has been fantastic. Uh, you have quickly climbed the ranks of some of our favorite guests and we hope that you will, dane to come back someday. Cause Cool. Even if it's off the mic, just cause we have so much fun talking to you.

Uh, this has been wonderful.

Hannah: It really has been. Thank you so much. I hope it was fine. No worries. I'm sorry the mediaship was a bit clunky. I, I demonstrated to hundred 20 people last night. So I, oh my goodness. New to retired. I'm exhausted, please. I wouldn't normally work for three days following that, so, uh, yeah.

Ooh, sorry.

Will: Sorry to put you on the spotlight. That, but

Hannah: No, it's fine. I'll give it a go. It will work or it won't work. I am really passionate about people understanding it's an imperfect art because I think in all the editing that we have [00:54:00] out there, it's you, you have these expectations when you are learning that you are gonna be able to achieve the impossible.

And when you start doing it and you think, well, I'm not as good as that and I got a no there, and they didn't really understand that and that took a while to get going. You think you are not doing. Good mediumship, but that is actually how it works. Mm. So I've got a recording coming out on my podcast soon where I've got somebody and I've got a birthday cake, and I'm talking to them about a birthday cake.

And I'm aware that there's a number one on the cake, but I never actually say it because I'm just aware that there's, and she said so-and-so's first birthday. And I'm like, cause I could see the birthday cake and I could, I could see the number one candle, but I just thought that was my brain adding the candle.

I thought I was just seeing the birthday cake. Right. And that's important to talk about because I think when we are developing, we hold ourselves back with these expectations that it's gonna be boom, boom, boom, boom. Because we see so much edited medium share. Right.

That's what it's all, it's all about, you know, cuz [00:55:00] there's a part of me, if I was absolutely honest, that would like to. Not put that podcast out or to not, or to edit that reading.

So it sounds better than it does, but that wouldn't be true. Ah. And I just feel it's so important that I leave the gaps. I leave the awkward pauses, I leave the bits where I lose my train of thought. I lose the bits. You know, like I was talking to your nan and I was aware of them, Mary name, and I was aware of the.dot.

But I never went back to the.dot because we started talking about something else. Mm-hmm. Until Will interjected, which is great because. That's what it's really like. You'll be doing mediumship with somebody and your brain will bring up something or this will happen, or somebody will move, the dog will bark, and you will think that you are doing something wrong and that there's this perfect state that you get to where it's so brilliant and you're so in alignment, but it's not true.

Mm.

Will: Well, it's a true testament to what you're doing out there for people. So thank you for what you're, doing, everything that you're gonna be doing, your show, how you help people to connect themselves. Everything that you do is just. Wonderful. So, thank you for doing what you do.

Hannah: No worries. Thank you [00:56:00] so much for having me. I've loved chatting to you again. It's been so

Will: much fun. Absolutely. It's been an absolute pleasure. Once again, if you want to connect with Hannah, all you need to do is go to skeptic meta physician.com. Go to her episode page and you'll see all of the links laid in there directly for you, website, social media, everything, all the ways to connect with her.

Hannah, it's been fantastic. Really hope to see you again really soon because Excellent. This has been wonderful.

Hannah: Thank you very much.

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