How to Genuinely Bend Time and Consciousness

Will & Karen: [00:00:00] Karen. Yes. Okay. Don't freak out. Okay. I'll try not to. But I think today's guest, mm-hmm. Might actually be a time traveler. Ooh Uh. I mean, who else goes from engineering at the BBC to bending time with meditation, to writing books that make Einstein say, wait, what now?

Definitely a time traveler. He's like a cosmic Swiss army knife. Yeah. He's a former BBC engineer, a time bending author, a meditation maestro, and he may or may not have figured out how to communicate with the future. In his free time. Yes. Uh, see, he talks to muses channels, soul waves, and casually drops things like future history into conversation, just like it's another Tuesday.

And if he's right, time isn't just money, it's conscious and possibly British. Okay, so if I suddenly start meditating in binary code or composing ambient music to align with the soul of the universe, or talking with an accent, you know who's to blame. Okay, [00:01:00] roll the intro.

Hey there. I'm Will. And I'm Karen. Welcome back to another Powerful Pact, episode of The Skeptic Meta. Woohoo. Our guest today is someone who doesn't just think outside the box. He time bends the box, asks what it dreams about, and then turns it. Into a guided meditation. I love it.

Let's see. Tom Evans is a modern day mystic with a twist. He weaves science, creativity, and consciousness into a tapestry of insights that invite us to live differently, [00:02:00] not just think differently. Now, whether it's guiding listeners to stillness, composing frequencies that calm the soul, or unlocking the secrets of the creative mind.

Tom brings a refreshingly grounded wisdom to the metaphysical world. So sit back, breathe in, and prepare a journey into some truly unexpected realms with Mr. Tom Evans himself. Tom, thank you so much for coming on the show today. I.

Tom: Fantastic, and just remember to breathe out as well. That's important.

Will & Karen: Breathe out. That's true. Breathe in. And of course you must breathe out. Very, very true. Yes. I will pass out. Otherwise, maybe that's where I'm going wrong. Maybe it's like whenever, uh, at least in the States, we have this game. When you're a kid where you go through a tunnel, you try to hold your breath all the way through a tunnel when you're driving, when you're driving and it, right.

Otherwise you would pass out. Uh, and inevitably at the end of the tunnel. Uh, and that's where you breathe out and you do a game to see who can hold it the longest through the tunnel inevitably. You passed out. I pass out Betty every time before. I mean, so I know. But Alright, Tom, it's a pleasure to have you on the show.

[00:03:00] Uh, we've known you for a little bit. Uh, this is our first opportunity to have a conversation with you, so we're excited to share who you are with our audience because you truly are a remarkable person. Absolutely. That isn't, isn't just full of woo. You bring the science along with it and that's the wonderful thing.

You make things plausible. Right? Well, just, just even your virtual presence, it just trans this. This piece of this love, this really beautiful, beautiful energy. Yeah. So hopefully it's getting out there to people who are listening and to people who are watching. Alright. Right.

Tom: That's very kind of you. Thank you.

Will & Karen: Um, uh, so I would be remiss if I didn't mention the fact that along with your huge list of credentials, you are also one of the top meditation teachers on Insight Timer.

So we're gonna be talking a lot about that. So, um, speaking of, uh, the reason why I bring that up is because I want to jump onto the meditation bandwagon. Uh, you describe it. As a gateway to unlocking creativity and even the bending time, how do you see the relationships between stillness and innovation

Tom: [00:04:00] Wow, that's a deep question.

Will & Karen: right off the bat? Welcome to the skeptic Meta.

Tom: Wow. Still. Okay, so here's the thing, right? So all, all knowledge, all wisdom, the past, present, and future exists, like all time exists right now. And the normal human mind, and I stress this, is in the only, the normal human mind is only capable about having one thought at a time.

So if you think about the thought you're having right now, it gets replaced by you thinking about the thought you're just having. Just think about that for a moment.

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Tom: So if the reason meditation is the key to all of this is because meditation is not about having no thoughts at all. It's about coming to a different relationship with your thoughts.

And I'm just gonna throw in that most thoughts aren't necessarily what you think of as being your own. I. Right. It's the conscious mind thoughts of those things. This is our inner chatter, our monkey mind. So when you, um, when you master meditation, and it doesn't take very long, I, I've got a series of meditations.

There's 10 of them, 10, 10 minute meditations, one a day for [00:05:00] 10 days, and you'll have mastered meditation. It's as simple as that, right? So it's, it's not difficult, but some people overcomplicate what is essentially simple and all it is to do, to do about having a different relationship with your thoughts.

And as soon as you steal the mind. And it's easier than you think. I've done, uh, a few examples of how to do that on the, the Mondays with the Munsons. Uh, so there's uh, four techniques I shared there about how to do that. Once you're still the mind, it opens the gateway for other thoughts to come in. And those thoughts can be from the past, from the future.

But they mainly come from what's called the, um, the creative plane, which is a, a sort of seven dimensional, nine dimensional plan. I'm getting a bit technical now, but that's where they come from and you know that they're from a different source because you weren't having that thought. So we're only one meditation away from a light bulb moment that will change our world and the world.

Will & Karen: Oh, so true. Wow. So true. I'm still stuck on 10 [00:06:00] meditations and you can meditate because it, I have the mega monkey mind. I have like a whole herd of monkeys in my mind and a really hard time stealing those. So I think I might need to to listen to those because that would be fantastic. I'm my no guy. Yeah,

Tom: Yeah, but you, you've, you al you've already alluded without knowing it to the key. 'cause one of the easiest ways to meditate is to tune into the breath. That's why so many meditations have the breath as part of them does two things. Uh, first is if you think about the breath, you can't think about these thoughts.

It's a great way of filling the mind. But also you talk about, uh, holding the breath as you go into the tunnel. And then imagine if you then just focus on the fact you're holding it and then focus on the out as well. And then you say, well, actually I've just realized in between the in and the out and the out in, there's a pause.

So there's four cycles to the breath, not.

Will & Karen: Right.

Tom: then if you just focus on the pauses, it's amazing how that stills the mind and the pauses are the gaps in time where these, uh, lik bulb moments sneak in [00:07:00] these, this innovation sneaks in. The other thing that's happening is Q is being generated in your body.

You're, you are, you're actually raising the q the energy, the life force in your body up and down the spine. There's some very specific breathing techniques you can do with spinal, the spinal breath, and that activates. Your creative core and makes your creative juices flow, which is quite interesting. So the breath is quite a, apart from keeping us alive, it's the key, the first key to actually getting into the meta state.

And we've all gotta breathe anyway, right? And if you, if, if you just want a bit more time, uh, all you need to do is slow your breath down and time elongates, which is kind of interesting.

Will & Karen: Oh, now you mentioned when you bre, uh, when you're focusing on your breath, you can't, those, those thoughts can't intrude in however. I start with the breath and before I realize it, I'm like, I'm way gone out down the rabbit hole of thoughts and then have to force myself to come back to the breath because [00:08:00] it's like you said, one breath replace, I mean, one thought replaces another.

So my first thought is breath. Breathing in, breathing out. Oh, look at that. Scroll over there. Or when I wonder if that scroll then tree and that whatever, oh, wait, wait, wait. Breathing in, breathing out. Right. So what's the secret to focusing on just the breath and not allowing the thoughts to intrude?

Tom: So then you, then you migrate to having a chat with your thoughts, right? So if you talk to your thoughts, they have to abate. So if you say, oh, that thought about the squirrel, very interesting. Um, I wonder what, um, squirrels are for foraging for today where they're not. Pilots, and then you start to start with dialogue with your thoughts themselves and your thoughts.

Then give up. 'cause they get a bit bored. That's as simple as that. But then what happens is the most amazing idea comes in based on squirrels and nuts. You realize, hang on, I've not been storing things away for the winter like I should be doing. So the metaphor of the thought that you're [00:09:00] having, you realize was really key to the whole thing.

So the squirrel thought is not inverted as a bad thought. It's a really, really good thought. A bit like a dream that comes in. It just needs to be interpreted. So the thing that grabs your attention, which is the squirrel and is a really good thing, as opposed, you think it, Hey, I'm not meditating. I'm doing it wrong.

Right. So there's no right or wrong to meditation at all. Meditation could just be a walk in the park, something like that. It, a lot of people have ideas in the shower because, uh, uh, water is the conductor of the universal mind stuff. So it's the, it's, it's the conductor of thoughts. So that's why people have ideas in, in, in shower and sort of stuff.

So, so it, the squirrel is really important, but it's how that squirrel and its activities relate to you and your life. Vinegar, aha. Then that was not such a bad thought. What happens though, if you think it is a bad thought, then you get put off meditation thinking, I'm not really good at it and it's not very good for me.

It's dull and it's dull ditch water. Which is why I start some of my meditations by saying, um, don't meditate. If you're driving, certainly if you're going through that tunnel, right, don't meditate. If you're [00:10:00] driving, uh, pilot in, uh, the International Space Station or using a cheese grater.

Will & Karen: Uh, you see just another Tuesday. Wow. That's, yeah. Uh, so that's incredible how you explain things. I must have a lot of things and I gotta work out because I have thought after, thought after thought. Squirrel, dogs, tree house, cheese, grater, uh, you know, I, it, it, it's, it's nonstop. So I got some work to do. Um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna test out your.

Meditation. Yeah, because I think that sounds fa fabulous. Now you talk about Creative Muse. Is our creative muse a part of us, or is it a separate consciousness or something even more mysterious? Well, you, I thought I was your, well, you, yeah, he, you're my muse. Okay. He talks about a creative muse, and so I'm curious about is that, is that a part of us or is that outside of us?

Tom: Well, let's just deconstruct that you said. Is, is it part of us or is it part of the, uh, collective consciousness? Well, we're part of the collective consciousness, so therefore [00:11:00] it must be part of us.

Will & Karen: So the answer is yes.

Tom: The the answer is absolutely yes. And so if you ever had, um, an idea, you have a bright idea, and I'm sure this happened, a lot of people that, uh, are watching this and you've had a bright idea and you do nothing with it.

About two years later, you see someone working on that idea of having done it. They, you were both tapped in, but they were the one that grounded it into the physical plane and did something with it. And there's a lovely, uh, process that I. Teach, which called the cascade of creativity. And what you do is you, you have the, the have the source idea.

So let's say we've got the idea that wouldn't it be great if we could sit down, you know? And so we, we've been, we're, we're, we're, we're, uh, early hominids. We've never reallys sat down. So what we'll do is, we'll, we'll, um, we'll invent a chair. Right. So then you have the, the, so the the seed ideas, I wanna sit down.

Then the, the, then the idea of a chair comes in. But chairs can be many, many things. It can be a stool, it can be, uh, a bar stool, it could be a yoga ball. The one thing I'm sitting on, uh, right now, [00:12:00] it can be a, what do you call a shooting stick? You know all the things. You go to the, the races and you sit on this one pole and stuff like that.

So then you have all the ideas of chairs. And then what you can do is then say, right, and now I'm gonna make that chair. I'm gonna go and find the wood. I'm gonna hone it down. I'm gonna see what, which works best for me. And then you ground it into the physical plane. Then what happens is you get all the spinoffs and you go like, ah.

So I've designed chair number one, but now there's chair number two and chair number three, and chair number four. And often what happens is the spinoff is the one that makes you the fortune, but you don't get to the spinoff until you start with the, from that seed notion and then bring it down into the, into the physical plane.

All of a sudden someone else is making chairs and you are not, and you had the same idea and.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Wow. Uh, that doesn't have to me at all. Never. No. Right. Tom, how did, I know you have your list of questions. No, this isn't really along that vein, but how did you come to all of this knowledge and wisdom?

Tom: Wow. Um, well, I've always been creative. When I was at the [00:13:00] BBC, um, I was, uh, I got several awards for innovation. And, uh, and then I left and formed my own company and I started making, um, widgets for the broadcast industry. I, I invented the first way of synchronizing a camera with a computer screen so it didn't flicker.

And, uh, I sold some widgets all around the world that did that, and it did so added other patents to our name. It's always been quite inventive. And so I built up a broadcast company, uh, sold that in the early nineties, and I said I became technical director of the merge company. And, uh, I said, we've gotta get into this thing called the internet.

And they said, oh, the Internet's never gonna take off. It's, you're never gonna do video and audio over the internet. And so I threw my toys outta the pram. I. Uh, the year of gardening leave to get round the contract. And then I started working in an internet company and built that up and, and then, uh, that sort of merged and got taken over in my mid forties.

I was, uh, really, really stressed. I, I've been successful financially twice in my life and the two times I've been most financially successful also have been the most stressed mid forties. [00:14:00] I didn't have a midlife crisis. I just had a midlife. Hiccup. And someone said to me, you look really haggy, you need to meditate.

And I said, don't be stupid. I haven't got time. Can't go quiet. But I persisted. And then what happened is loads of weird stuff happened. So I started to research the weird stuff. Always been quite fascinated with the metaphysics of it all. And uh, and I started to write books. So my third book was called The Art and Science of Light Bulb Moment.

So I researched the, uh, the, the, the physiology, the neurology of a, a light bulb moment. And the only way you can do that, 'cause there's nothing about it on the internet, you can't search for it at all, uh, is you have to go into meditation and, uh, and then you realize that a light bulb moment is a whole, whole mind event.

You know, it's not just something that comes into your head from, you know, our language gives away. It's off the top of my head. It's come on the back of my mind, or it's on the tip of my tongue. When you have a light bulb moment and they happen within a second, you get the whole vision in less than a second and you shout, Eureka, that sort of stuff.

It comes in through the head, goes down to the root. [00:15:00] Into the root chakra and you check in with the earth. If it's ecological, then it comes up to the solar plexus chakra and you see a good idea and you get a green light. Then it moves up to the heart chakra and you, oh, I can fall in love with this. And then it goes up to the right brain and you get the whole vision left.

Brain fills in some of the detail, and then as I said, the, the throat chakra might shout, Eureka, I found it. That sort of thing. So the whole mind, that's why we, I, I'd love to, um, do some experiments with somebody and put myself, put myself in a an MRI scanner. At the time I have an Mr. Uh, uh, a light bulb moment, and you'll see all the neurology lighting up at that time for that split second.

Yeah,

Will & Karen: I would love to see that research that if you ever get, get to that point, let us know. We'll have to get back in the show

Tom: I'm just putting it out there.

Will & Karen: Yeah, if you're listening. Um, alright, so Tom, you're also one of the content partners in, uh, new Reality tv. And the only reason why I'm bringing this up is not for a shameless plug, although hey, new reality tv.com.

Uh, but it's also the fact that you have a show called Practical [00:16:00] Alchemy and one of the things that you alchemize is time. Now you mentioned time not being linear and all that kinda stuff, and that we can actually influence time. So. How is it possible for us to influence time? Now we understand time is a construct.

It's all happening at the same time, but how can we actually consciously affect time to slow it down, speed it up, or, or to make it run in our favor?

Tom: Well, um, time. Didn't exist until we had planets revolving around stars. So the, our son is a third generation star. Before that, there were another phase of stars, second generation and first generations, and until they exploded and created all the heavy elements that we are made from and our planets, uh, are made from, we didn't have anything going round a star.

So there was no observer. And, uh, but, and, and even when we had the earth as it was and the moon around the earth and stuff, like, there was still no observer [00:17:00] for quite some time. So time needs an observer. And if you think about, uh, time, uh, it's really interesting because we learned we're in different time zones and wasn't it great that, uh, we could meet.

At the right time, nearly to the second, which is really important. So I'm, I'm always, uh, conscious of other people's time as, as well as my time. You said isn't time a British thing? Well, it is because we got, we are the zero meridian over in GMT.

Will & Karen: There you go. Yeah.

Tom: of starts, uh, just, uh, slightly east of the central of London.

That's where it starts from, and, and then it got, as the earth uh, rotates, then it sort of spreads, uh, it spreads to the west. So, um, so time is this. Construct, which is really good, so we can run our modern world with it because we don't want all the planes landing at the same time at an airport. And this sort of stuff really useful for that.

Great. When we try and arrange these, um, these zoom squad casts and, and these conversations over different time zones. Uh, but it's interesting that seconds and minutes and, uh, weeks and months don't exist in nature. [00:18:00] So nothing beats, nothing beats to the second. The mind of someone watching the clock.

Will & Karen: Right. That, that's, that's very true. And Right, right along the lines of, of

Tom: so we got that. We, we can anchor that you ever had done a weekend with friends and uh, you know, you have a great time and it just zooms by and then Monday comes around all too soon.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tom: You have a, you have a flying home for a holiday. You've read all your books and the plane's delayed and you're sitting in the airport, you've got nothing to read.

And it just, you know, your 45 minute delay seems to stretch in two or three hours. It's because there's a massive subjectivity to, um, to time as well. But it interesting, um, in, um. For the normal you of mind is, is about 33% efficient because you are having thoughts about the, now you're having thoughts about the past, what you did yesterday.

Uh, and let's say, I don't know, you're doing a, a speech, um, you doing a wedding speech or something that the weekend and, uh, you, you, you start to go through that speech, so. Anytime your mind wanders [00:19:00] away from the now to either to the past. Maybe you regret something you've done or as a conversation that didn't go very well or it goes to the future 'cause you're trying to rehearse something that's happening in the future, or you're concerned about something in the future or excited about something in the future.

You are focused, dissipates from the now. So the easiest way to stretch time is just have this, uh, concentration of focus. This channeled mind if you like, focused on the thing you wanna know. And then the easiest way to slow the passage of time down is to breathe more slowly. I. And it works in groups as well.

So, so I can, uh, looking at, um, the top of your chest right now, I can see the rate that you are breathing. And if you get into a, if you get into a, a, a group situation, you can control the breathing rate of everyone in that group and slow time down in that, in that group. The other thing you can do is you can start to make really, really good decisions by messing with time.

And if you think about all the time, you waste by [00:20:00] making the wrong decision.

Right. I.

Will & Karen: yeah.

Tom: So we, we got, we've got two. Um, uh, the, there's three, there's four time constants that I use. One is called EMT, not GMT. That's extended me time. And this is about getting into this space where time elongates, you slow the breath down, you get the left brain and the right brain working together.

The left brain doesn't ha, isn't logical in the right brain. Uh, it's not crazy. That's an urban myth. Uh, the left brain sits inside space and time, and the right brain sits everywhere and everywhere else. So, getting into the whole brain thinking mode, uh, which you can do by the breathing, there's a couple of breathing techniques you can do.

Alternative nostril breathing is one of them, and then the spinal breath is another one of them. Slowing the breathing down slows time down for you personally, but then you can get into a thing called IMT, which is internal mind time by tuning into the gut. The heart, an IMT. Uh, is, is a great way of saving time by not making the right decision.

So when you [00:21:00] turn, you tune into the gut. The gut will tell you if it's a good idea, yes or no. The heart will tell you, is it a good idea? Do I love it? Am I lukewarm about it? Am I cold about it? And how many times you said, oh, my heart wasn't in that, and you went ahead with it, how many times you said, oh, my gut wasn't in it either, or my gut in that.

So by tuning into the center saying something not quite right about this, then that can get you into a lovely, um, time saving mode. I. Then finally, when you get into OMT, which is outta mind time, you can tune into the past and you can tune into the future. So one of the things I teach authors that work with me is how to tune into the future and how to tap in to the future version of them that knows the words they haven't written yet and get 'em sent back from the future to the now.

Uh, when people do this, they get to the, the third draft of a book in one draft. It kind of comes in fully form

Will & Karen: Wow.

Tom: loads.

Will & Karen: Tom, you realize this is a skeptic, meta physicians, right? That sounds incredibly implausible. How is that? [00:22:00] How can someone like me, who's a little bit pragmatist, how can I wrap

Tom: Well, here's the thing, it's not real. So I've made it up.

It's active imagination, so it's not true. But if you imagined that it's true and it works, who's to argue? If

Will & Karen: me there?

Tom: the, if it gets the book, if it gets the book written in no time at all. The quickest book I've written and published was done in two weeks from the first.

Word to the physical book in my hand.

Will & Karen: Wow. Okay. You and I have to talk because I've got a book in me and I don't know how to get it out and I don't have the time. Yeah, so.

Tom: will have the time is there to do it. So, so all we've gotta do is get you to tune in. So I've got a meditation specifically that tunes you into the future version of you to bring the words back from the future into the Now. Now then there's a, there's a fourth time constant, which is one that's in, in Fairly, uh, is used in manufacturing called Just In Time.

So if you're making cars, uh, and the engines are coming from a different place, and obviously, uh, uh, uh, and, and the, and the, the bodies come from a different place. You try and put ' em together. You don't want too many engines in the factory, then you've got [00:23:00] cars going through it. So just in time is really, really important too.

And just in time is something where meditation comes back in as well, because all the time around you. There's things going on. There's that squirrel running around looking for nuts. And you think it's a distraction? Well, actually, uh, it could be the title of your new book that you haven't written yet. Where's My Nuts? Don't go, don't go with that one. Uh, but you know, you know what I mean? So, so the world outsiders and our dreams as well is presenting us with information. And I like to think that there, there are little nuggets of information that are coming from the future into the now, and we're just picking up on these things again, active imagination, but if it works and it, and you get a job done because of it, great.

Will & Karen: Right. You know, I can't help but think you live right by Stonehenge. Do you think, do you think you're being influenced at all by these stones? I.

Tom: Actually, uh, not, not [00:24:00] quite. Um, although I did write a book recently, um, called Time Restored, which you'll find on new reality tv. There's two interviews and I've actually serialized the book on, on NRTV. Um, and, uh, I wrote, and I wrote that book in, uh, I started on the 8th of September, finished it on the 20th.

It's only 12,000 words, but I wrote a chapter every morning and in it, um. It's all about time loops. And I wrote it as a, a demonstration for students who that take my course on how to write a book or how to channel a book. 'cause I wanted to explain about the, the idea of a nested loop, how you open a loop, but then don't close it down.

The classic would be you see the murdered body at the start and then it's all about how did this person out to the person get there and who did it and all sort of stuff. And so it's all about open loops in it. And uh, and that one of the biggest loops I put in it. And this is not a spoiler. Is that Stonehenge was, um, someone, a temporal alchemist in the future who, uh, gets the stones from the future, sends them back into the past and deposits them there at night when there was no one looking.

And that's how they got [00:25:00] there. And there's no more preposterous than any other theory about.

Will & Karen: Why not? Sure.

Tom: Just, just to and, and it and it's, it is meant the absolute fictional device in inside the book. But the reason I mentioned that is that Stonehenge hasn't got an influence from me, but I only found out recently, and this is relatively recently, that I live on the Earths heart chakra and the Earth has got seven chakra points and I've gone and found a house pretty much in the epicenter of the Earth's heart.

Will & Karen: Wow.

Tom: Hench is one aspect of that. Glasbury Tour is another one, and a place by near me called Bury. And, and Mount Shasta, um, uh, Uluru, uh, in, in Australia and Mount er in Norway, lake T Kaka. Um, and where else? Oh, the pyramids, of course. Yeah.

Will & Karen: Right, right. That makes sense. Yeah. Wow. Very cool. Wow.

Tom: Yeah. And it's a lovely place and there's lots of love down here.

Will & Karen: Yeah, I would imagine so. Yeah. Um, so you don't just alchemized time. You also, the, the big buzzword these [00:26:00] days is, is money, right? We talked about how, uh, money is, uh, an energy flow. Um, but you say that money is really, you need to look at it as a friend. So how, how do you, in terms of practical alchemy, how do you alchemize your life to be able to have the type of abundant wealth that someone would need to be happy, for example?

Tom: Well, I say that's the key, isn't it? 'cause there's a lot of people have got a huge amount of money and they're not very

Will & Karen: Exactly. Yeah.

Tom: and there's a lot of people that haven't got um, money and they're also unhappy. It's just about having the right amount. So I talk about money as an aspect of abundance really.

So it's just one of the aspects of abundance. 'cause it's more, you need other things in your life as well, apart from the money, money's just an energy, can't see it from space. Um, and right now it's, it's actually hidden in a set of ones and zeros inside the computer systems that we can't really see it.

Um, but money, um, money kind of makes the walk around because it means that we, we got more time on our hands. [00:27:00] If we didn't have money, we'd have to go back to barter. I. So, um, uh, I, you'd have to, let's say you were charging me for this interview. If I live down the road, I can come and, uh, work on your roof and put some tiles on the roof or something like that.

'cause I'm having to be a Tyler, but that's not great way to run our modern world, whereas money allows us to, um, have this trusted third party of a bank. And so, uh, you could just go and buy, get someone else to do the roof, and I could sell you a course on how to, um, to make money. Funnily enough, my course on how to make money, I give away for free.

Will & Karen: What.

Tom: Absolutely, because it's all about paying it forward. So the more you, the more you put out there, the more it comes back. But what happens is that the coming back comes from a source, which is not the, the one that you gave your, your kindness to. It comes back from another source, and it comes back very unexpectedly, and it always comes back 10% more than you need. So you don't, I don't need double the amount of money I've got now. I just want a little bit more coming in than my bills, if you know what I [00:28:00] mean. And it means I haven't got to spend that much energy, um, on that money arriving. It just arrives in from very strange places. Just when, just when you need it.

Um, and so, um, money as an energy is really, really, uh, interesting because when you think about the energy of money in the uk we have these, uh, bank notes and they say, I promise to pay the bearer.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tom: And all you need to do is to get more money. Energy coming your way is to make promises and keep them over, deliver on the promises.

But then there's also another definition of the word promise, and it's your promise. What can you offer to the world? So if you want to make more money, all you gotta do is upskill. In whatever way that might be. Hopefully it's fun too, you know? So you learn to write a book, you learn how to paint, you learn how to to play a musical instrument or something like that, and as soon as you increase your promise, you also increase the amount of stuff that comes [00:29:00] back your way in response to that.

Will & Karen: Okay. And I would recommend anybody who's listening, if you haven't seen it yet, go back and watch his show. It was episode number eight. Um, I was watching it that specifically Money Alchemy episode recently. And you have this, this wonderful guest and she did, I think it was maybe a two to three minute.

Sort of meditation on there. That was just so beautiful. I think I even got a few little tears in my eyes, but it was just, it was wonderful. So absolutely. Please make sure you all go listen to that episode because it, it's fantastic. Right. Uh, okay. So, um, if I understand correctly, we need to. In order for us to, uh, attract abundance to ourselves, we need to provide abundance to others in, for lack of a better word, we, when you give to others, you get that back in return and then some.

Tom: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, I, that 10% extra is just my own, that's [00:30:00] my personal thing. If you want to dial it up to 33% or 200%, that's fine. Right. But 10% works if you haven't got any debt to pay off. So if you've got debt to pay off, you might not wanna turn it off. A and, and I, I, I do talk about everything going up to 11 or 12 in the spinal tap way, you know, so we don't have to stick at 10 in terms of what we wanna be.

We can turn the knob up to 10, 11, or.

Will & Karen: so, so how do you do that? How do you, just by you setting an intention that I'm, I'm, I want 55%, 55.674% more than than I give out, or how does that

Tom: I, I've not been a great, um, I'm not a great fan of, uh, goal setting systems, especially, uh, smart goal. I got in, I got involved with Smart Goal some time ago, and, uh, and I reckon they weren't that smart because 50% of the time they worked in 50% of the time they didn't seem to work for me. So I got, um, a shaman, uh, a shaman, actually she female, uh, British Shaman.

She said to me, uh, set goals based on what you want to learn. Not based on what you want to achieve, so and so, if you set your goal and based on what you wanna learn, let's say a month from now and three months from [00:31:00] now, a year from now, what happens is the three month goal, the one month goal, gets delivered like next week.

So you learn it like really quickly. The universe says, right, someone wants to learn what and it, and it delivers the learning based goal really, really, really quickly. The three month goal gets delivered in about a month, and then the one year goal gets delivered in about three months. And so the, and sometimes that learning could be an adversity, so just be open to that, right?

So say, thank you for the adversity coming your way, and it's just something you've gotta get over so you can then expand. So a lot of, I I, before I became a meditation guide, I was a a, an author's mentor and a lot of people would be writing through the adversity that they'd seen, and they use the writing process as catharsis, which is really healthy.

But also your writing, your adversity that you've been through becomes a source material for you to write a book, go and do, uh, workshops, uh, coaching, mentoring, and this sort of stuff. So it becomes your, your experience that you can help other people, whether you know what I mean. So that's why if, if you do goals based on what you wanna learn, and so as you want, say, you could just wanna learn, how do [00:32:00] I get to that 10% more coming in?

Uh, um, than, than this going out. That's a good one to, to learn. And, and I'll say to you straight away, well actually there's a free course on how to do exactly that. So I ticked that box straight away and, and guess what? It's free. It's called Abundant Thinking. And I use, uh, I use the example of, uh, Wilkins Macor from, uh, Charles Dickens Oliver Twist think was, wasn't it?

And, uh, he said that the 20, uh, 20 shillings was a pound in old English money. Uh, sort of about $1.20 or whatever it is nowadays. And, uh, so he said if, if your, if your expenditure's 20 shillings, is that right? But your income's only 19 shillings and six months equals misery. If your expenditure is 20 shillings, but your income is 20 shillings and six months, then that equals happiness.

And I call it the Macor principle. It's one of the free videos in my, uh, in, in this course. So it's all about seeing the money as an energy, increasing your promise, learning and growing and evolving, and then the cosmos seems to [00:33:00] respond and just delivers in the most bizarre. Unexpected ways. You know, I've had people that have had tax rebates they've forgotten about, or, uh, or even it might be, it might be sad, but a relative's passed away and some money's coming that way.

But it's not about that. It's about, it's not about the mechanism, it's about how it comes in for me. Um, a client will just rock up, uh,

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tom: that I'd forgotten about and just says, I really need your help and could you do this? And, and this client knows nothing about whatever else I've been doing. They just come out of the blue or whatever.

So.

Will & Karen: Wow. Wow. Yeah. So one of the things you're talking about, kind of learning how to, to think differently. Um, so many people are stuck with this mindset or this, um. I don't, I guess mindset of scarcity and that fear, how do you overcome that? How do you get get rid of that or get past that in order to be able to really integrate these thoughts of abundance?

Lots of alcohol.

Tom: If

you [00:34:00] haven't got, if you haven't got enough alcohol, then that reinforce, that reinforces the scarcity. Um, uh, that's a great question, Karen. So, so what's happening is you're, you're also manifesting the scarcity yourself. So you're so, so, so you could, you could go, I love, um, the Greek word meta. Meta. So metamorphosis, metaphor meta means above.

So you could say, what is the lesson in the scarcity? What am I gonna learn from that scarcity? Is it scarcity? Anyway. Do I just think it's, or or is it relative scarcity? Do I just think someone up the road has got, is less scarce than me? You know, it's like that idea, someone might have billions of pounds, but are they happy?

Are they in love? Have they got stresses?

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm. Right?

Tom: Yeah. So it, it is a state of mind, right? Obviously it's a state of bank account as well. It's a state of it's, it is those things too. So yeah, it, it comes back to that same thing. Is that how you see, see that [00:35:00] abundant force, the, the universe is benevolent. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be here to observe. Be part of it. So it's absolutely, fundamentally, there's enough resource on this planet for everybody. We don't have to have this polarity of the 10% having 90% of the money. This is an aspect of the, of the duality. There's enough resource on the planet. Uh, for all of us to live. And it's not just humans, you know, we're a very, very small, uh, percentage of the biomass of the planet.

Tiny, tiny percentage of the actual biomass, but we're one of the self wear aspects of it. We shouldn't rule, um, Satan out and sell, have a vs. And,

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, absolutely. They, they're in unbelievably, uh, intelligent. Yeah.

Tom: Absolutely. So, um, so, uh, so yeah, so scarcity is, is it is a, it's. It, it is, it's a mindset and it will feed itself and it will feed the scarcity. [00:36:00] So it'll generate more scarcity and more scarcity. Flip it to abundance, and then obviously sudden you generate more and more abundance.

Will & Karen: Right. But that,

Tom: but it's a good place to start from. It's a good place. It is a, it's ironically a good place to start from, 'cause most people wouldn't know what bills are going out and in.

Of one month to the next. Apart from they might think there's, um, there's not enough stuff around, you know, I might be hungry. It might be, uh, feeling that there's not, there's again, there's, there's a huge number of people on the planet that are malnourished and actually roughly the same number of people on the planet that are obese.

Will & Karen: so, but that's the trick though, right? How do you flip that thought process? How do you go from scarcity mindset to abundance mindset?

Tom: So you just hit the nail of the head again to come full circle thought process.

Will & Karen: Mm.

Tom: When you're a baby and you have your conscious mind isn't fired up, you don't know how much money you've got or not caught, you know, the, the, the, the baby of a billionaire doesn't know is a [00:37:00] ba or she's a ba, a baby of a billionaire.

Yeah. So it's, it's conscious. It is all to do with thought.

Will & Karen: So are you saying that just not thinking about money will make a difference?

Tom: Not thinking about the absence of money will make a difference.

Will & Karen: Okay.

Tom: So if you focus on the absence, you'll manifest the absence.

Will & Karen: So if you focus on the, the fact of having money, and as you I've heard it say that if as you give or you pay your bills, if you pay your bills with out of joy, with joy versus angst, that helps move that energy flow in the right direction. Is that how you see it?

Tom: There's, these are, these are nice little things to do. Absolutely. The these, but it is, it's all to do with, um, also how much you are prepared to put in. And I don't mean that by working hard, [00:38:00] but how much attention you apply, how much you notice. Opportunity, how much you might notice that the opportunity lies in the scarcity. Yeah. So you know, if you, if if, if you, if you find that scarcity and you discover a solution to that scarcity, that's something you can then offer to other people to help 'em out of that scarcity. But also collectively we can have a scarcity as well. So in a group of people could be scarce together. But when you've all come together and you find actually, um, I love the idea of co-creations and the idea that one plus one can equal three.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tom: So, you know, you find, I, I used to go to business networking meetings and people used to say, uh, oh, what do you do? And so on. I, I, I do this and that. I would always say, what could we do? I.

What could we do together? So together you do something which you couldn't have done separately. And I've always done that.

I've always worked with people, um, that have got [00:39:00] skills that I haven't got. And you work together to create something which was impossible before. So you know's, and it's not so lonely then as well. So, you know, 2, 2, 2 or three people together, um, you know what? Create that couldn't have been.

Will & Karen: See now that, that brings me, I guess to my next question, not really. Next question, just one popped into my head. So we're talking about money because it is very important and, and all of that, but I. Could the same processes be applied to love? There are so many people right now that are feeling so isolated, and I feel like that thought of not having love, and we've talked about it before, at least with Will and I, so many different types of love, but that fixation on not.

Having love or not being lovable, I think that is the cause of so many of the problems that we have today. So could we apply the same principles for trying to get our financial house a little nicer? Could we apply that to, to our love life?

Tom: Absolutely. And I think, um, I've, I've got [00:40:00] a course on that too, on Alchemizing Love

How you Alchemize Love and Transmute love and, um, and it, it starts, it's, it is a whole chapter. Uh, workout. You go through, start the base chakra, go all the way to the, to the, uh, crown, and also activate the alpha and chakras, and then get into a state called the unified chakra.

And love the, the heart point is right at the center. Um, about 2 million years ago, um, humankind learn how to control their fifth chakra point from their sixth chakra and make, uh, thoughts verbal.

Will & Karen: Mm.

Tom: And we don't give that a second thought nowadays. But, um, I read a book by Ru Steiner, he wrote it over a hundred years ago, and he said, the next phase of e human evolution is to take conscious control of your heart chakra.

And that's what this course teaches you how to do. So, uh, the reason that's such a good question, Karen, is actually, it's, it's, it's actually key. I didn't know how deep we're gonna go [00:41:00] in this, in this conversation, but, uh, the. The heart chara is so powerful. It's much more powerful than anything emits from our head.

With it, you can heal past, present, and future. But also you can attract all the things that you love into your life, but without being narcissistic. And, um, the number of people I've, that have taken this course that have literally fallen in love within a week is. Absolutely amazing. Uh, and, uh, and, and because, but it starts with you loving yourself first, but not in that narcissistic

way. So self love, it starts with self-love. And then, because I think it's, it, it'd be a big ask to express someone to love you if you didn't love yourself first.

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Tom: But the main thing you can do is, is the heart, the heart center. I've been, uh, reiki initiated so I can heal with, uh, with hands, but, uh, the heart center's much more powerful than that.

And the weirdest thing I've done is heal a budgie over Skype [00:42:00] in, this was before Zoom happened over Skype in Vancouver using the, uh, the heart race. So, uh, it's amazing. Amazingly powerful.

Will & Karen: a bgy. Isn't that a bird?

Tom: Yeah. A little budget. Yeah, Joey.

Will & Karen: I have to know what was wrong? What was wrong with the bgy?

Tom: He, he fallen outta love. He'd lost his, he'd lost his partner and he fell out. His love, his feathers were falling out and stuff like that. And, uh, so I, uh, I was on a call with the, the, the client. The client was an author and she just said, anything you can do with my budget. I said, well, I'll give it a go. I haven't done a budget before, but what I did was I, I used her as a proxy.

She didn't, she didn't. Know that at the time I used her as, because I didn't know, I haven't, didn't have a relationship with Joey. And then anytime I'd appear on, on Skype again subsequent to that thing, his, his feathers grew back and he heard my voice, he'd go Absolutely ballistic. Chirping away.

Will & Karen: Oh wow. Wow. Oh, I love it. That is fantastic.

Tom: Well, slightly off topic of, of the, but yeah. When, when you, when. When you love yourself and you love yourself for who [00:43:00] you are, all the things that you need in your life gravitate towards you. And of course, some of these are the, uh, abundance opportunities. You know, they, they appear too. So they, the abilities to, uh, the, the job or the career you might want.

It's not just about a soulmate, but it could be a career mate as well, or a company that, um, that doesn't know how good you are. But if you go into an interview and you're not confident and you don't like yourself, that will come across because other people silently are picking up from their heart well, how their heart is feeling.

As I mentioned before, if your head is very loud, it um, it can block. I. The, the sensors are coming from the heart and the gut, but if you are take conscious control your heart center, then you can go into a room and it can be all, all our chemical techniques can be used, uh, for the wrong reasons too. You could make people fall in love with you, and this is why some of the things I've taught have been suppressed for many years because in the wrong hands, they could be used for the wrong [00:44:00] reasons.

Will & Karen: Wow. Yeah. So how do you, how do you assure yourself that those that are taking your courses won't turn it to sinister purposes?

Tom: um, I've put some, I've put some stuff into them to make sure they're intrinsically safe.

Will & Karen: ah, tricky,

Tom: I'm not gonna say anymore

about that.

Will & Karen: No, it's, it's.

Tom: they're, they're inherently safe and they'll only fall into the right hand. So, so, but the way it works is simply this, is that the people that might use it for the wrong reasons wouldn't notice it even exists.

Will & Karen: oh. Hmm. I wonder if that's why I don't know anything about it. Well, that's true. Okay. All right. Well, at least I got my foot in the door anyway. Now.

Tom: and, and I've gotta say this is one of the reasons I held back for many years not putting this stuff out there because I know in, in previous lives I might have done this and it might have gone a bit pear shaped. So these past, past life residencies come in with us. And so the reason I held back on publishing this till quite recently when I [00:45:00] had the material about 20 years ago, was I needed to figure out that thing of how to make it in inherently safe and ethical.

Will & Karen: Right, right, right.

Tom: Yeah, because you know, you could, you could use it for your, I did a course once when there was about 35 people in the room and, uh, I got people to pair up and just, you, you, you get to get to feel each other's heart. And there was one person left over. She only happened to be the most attractive woman in the room, and I had to pair up with her.

So what I did when I

beam my heart

Will & Karen: Tom, I'm so sorry.

Tom: not, not in that sense, but, but when I, when I beam my heart rate here, I stopped it about two inches. So it wouldn't quite, and, and this is really, it is about taking conscious control of it. Also, you can't go around the world just healing everybody. It has to be done with permission.

So Joey could only be healed because, um, uh, the, uh, my client wanted Joey to be healed. I couldn't go into Joey, just heal, uh, Joey. So it's really important you do this ethically and with permission,

Will & Karen: And Joey, of course, was the budgie. Yeah.

Tom: the budget.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So all these courses, [00:46:00] all these, all this knowledge, all this wisdom that you have, you've wrapped it all into your dictum. I'd love to talk. I'd like to have you talk to us about what that is exactly.

Tom: Yeah, and AUM is, uh, AUM

Will & Karen: sorry. Yes.

Tom: is is a place where the high clergy would, um, initiate the lower clergy.

Will & Karen: Hmm.

Tom: And it was usually a place of fully of obfuscation, like a, things were made very complex and inaccessible. Uh, and it, it was, it, it'd be venerated and this sort of stuff. And, uh, and so my DTM is open to all. All that we'll notice and the ones that don't need to notice won't see it.

And that's also also fine. There's two aspects to it. There's an religion where there's lots of toys, lots of techniques. So there's one on time on how to write a book, one how to activate your heart and uh, and to. Find a life that you love, that loves you with people that you love and this sort of stuff.

There's one on, um, uh, ideas. There's one on called the Magic of Aha. How you, how you bring an Idea down. Um, it's [00:47:00] got some amazing meditations in there and there's a healing course which is free. 'cause I believe healing is a gift that's been bestowed on us, and I should always be free. And ironically, the money one is also free.

Yeah, why not? And, and so that's it. That's in the, and the m and it is, it is packaged together. You can buy, buy courses individually, or you can get packages and you can pay interestingly enough, uh, it's really important that, um, uh, there's no, no fear in it. So, you know, you, you get to someone say, uh, oh, this is $10,000, but you can get it for.

$2,000 if you buy it upfront now, or you can spread the payments, uh, but it'll cost you $12,000 when you spread the payments. You can spread the payments in in here, and it, there's no surcharge whatsoever. You just, it's all about money, energy, and, and like you do on NRTV, the numbers are really important.

And Karen, 4, 4, 4. There's no accident. 4, 4, 4.

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Tom: And then I've got anum where I'm taking acolytes on a, a journey of kind of modern ascension. [00:48:00] A trip into a, a completely different realm, uh, and a fully incarnated soul on the earth, not.

Will & Karen: Oh, Tom, where have you been? My whole life. Right? Things happen.

Tom: There's been a reason, so I wasn't ready and I, I'll go back to that, that timeframe, just in time, when I put this a deepen together, I put it together in, in a reaction to insight timer because they changed the way they were getting paid and my, my pay was gonna go down by about half. So, um, I, I, I thought, well, I've got all this stuff.

I've put it all together in this thing, but I had no way of marketing it.

Will & Karen: mm.

Tom: And what's the best way to get the word out on something like that? Have your own TV channel walks up in time.

Will & Karen: There you go. There you go. Yeah. So. I have a, a question. Another one. These just pop into my head. We, over here at least, um, are living in just really chaotic, difficult, tense times, and [00:49:00] it seems like it affects almost every aspect of our, of of our lives. So can someone go to, to your ADEM to go through these courses and even in the most toxic and tragic of times, live a beautiful life.

Tom: Yeah, and obviously I noticed these things too, and uh, one of the, uh, reactions to it, if you look at some of the, the people, some of the people on the planet right now is to see it from a perspective. It's pretty terrible and it's pretty terrible. I would have to finer a point on it, but ironically, you can send love.

To the people that you might not like the least. And it helps if we did it collectively, it would really, really help. Uh, and so you can do, you can use, uh, tech, it might sound a bit woo woo and a bit, uh, but you can do things like that. But absolutely this starts with the, the micro scales up to the macro.

So what you're doing with new reality TV in the midst of all of this nonsense is just [00:50:00] amazing. You know, it is the sort of TV channel people should really be. Tuning into and should be mainstream, right? And it starts with this, but as I said to you, uh, if you're doing this all by yourself, Leslie, just with your own TV show, it'd be really hard to do.

But the people that you've brought in and do you not notice how just when you didn't know you needed another show host, the most perfect show host, turns up with another aspect of this stuff. You know, I've just got some of the keys. I haven't got all the keys by distracting the imagination. There's lots of other people out there with some amazing.

Content. There's huge amount of ageless wisdom that's out there. You know, the stuff that's that, that Tracy O'Connor's bringing in with the Celtic Soul. This stuff's been known about for thousands and thousands of years, right? All I'm doing is taking stuff which was out there and contemporizing it, right, and, and making it accessible and useful in a modern day context.

That's all I'm doing. So it's not, and and obviously some of it is magic and some of the stuff I do in the inner santum [00:51:00] is, is out and out, uh, magic. But again, very safe and, and for, for the right reasons. So, so the, the only way to deal with the chaos is to start individually and it will spread. I. And, and it will spread in a, in a lovely way.

And all that's happening at the moment is we're going from, and I write about this in my, in my fictional writing. So when I, when I do the more bonkers stuff, I don't put it into a nonfiction book or even into a course. I write about it in, uh, in, in a, in a channeled future history. And, uh, my, my book Soul Wave starts in 2058.

I wrote it before covid. And it's based in what Beijing and Wuhan would you believe?

Will & Karen: Wow.

Tom: And I ref and it, it's written in the future, but in the past tense. So I refer back to the twenties. It's not a political book and it doesn't talk about the times we're going through right now. And all I say is in the twenties some things happen so that the, the, the existing world powers stop being the main world powers. Right. And they, and, [00:52:00] and they became like, uh, bitrate players and stuff like that. And that's kind of what's happening at the moment. So it's all part of a grander scheme. And we're going from a level called EPOCH five into EPOCH six. And one of the aspects of EPOCH six is we evolve from being planetary abusers to being planetary caretakers.

Will & Karen: Mm. Well, that can't,

Tom: you're seeing is thrashing of the old dinosaurs.

Will & Karen: yeah, that can't happen fast enough. Yeah. As

Tom: And Yeah, but you know, some of these people won't be alive in 10, 20 years time.

Will & Karen: That's true. Right, right. Uh, well, uh, I see ourselves quickly running out of time. Uh, we usually have some curve ball questions that we ask some of our guests and

Tom: you given me some of those already?

Will & Karen: That's a fair point. But, but these are like kooky crazy questions. Like, uh, if you could leave a message etched in the fabric of time so that it shows up in every era of human history, including the future, what would it say?

Tom: Now that is a [00:53:00] curve ball question. Oh, I'd, I'd have to paraphrase Bambi. Or was it, was it, was it Thumper? Was it Sumper in ba. Sumper in Bambi said, if you can't say. Something nice. Don't say nothing at all.

Will & Karen: Yeah. And that was told him to him by, I think it was, was it Thumper? I think it was Thumper that said, was it the skunk? Uh, it might have been the skunk, uh, the me is the flo flower or flour? Yeah, it might've been flour. The, the skunk That, uh, well, I, I, so because we've run outta time, I, we, I had a couple other questions, but we'll have to have you back again to throw you more curve ball questions, 'cause those are the fun ones for you.

But, uh, if someone wanted to get involved with the adiam or wanted to reach out to you, what is the best way for someone to do that?

Tom: Yeah, go to my website, Tom evans.co do.com co uk. Uh, and on there you'll find a link to free meditations. 'cause [00:54:00] some people might not be ready to jump into something like the aum. Start with free meditations on Insight Timer. It's a free app. There's no credit card to be put into it. Uh, if you wanna look in a little bit more, I've got.

I've written 18 books, the 19th one coming out right now. Get one of the books and then when you're ready to jump into a course. So what's, what's the presenting issue? Is it something that wants to be healed in your life? Well, that's free, is abundance your thing and that that money gets shoved into that as well.

Get the free money course and then what's the next thing you know? Do you wanna find a soulmate? Well, there's a book, there's a course on on that. Do you? Short of business idea? Well, there's a course on how to download infinite number of light bulb moments that where you create a disruption in the world in a nice way.

Will & Karen: right. So it's not, it's no longer there's an app for that. Now it's, uh, Tom has a course for that. Well, that, that is wonderful. I love it. We're gonna add direct links to our show notes. So if you miss any of that, just go to skeptic on physician.com. [00:55:00] You go to his episode page, you will find the link directly in the show notes so you can connect with him directly super quickly.

I cannot express enough how much in. Credible, fun I've had, uh, in this conversation is one of those. Sometimes you, you talk to someone and the, and the time goes by so fast, you look up at the clock and all of a sudden you realize, oh my gosh, I've gotta close out the show. And then you are sorry and sad.

And this is one of those times for sure. And if you take his course, he can explain why. Yes, yes. So next time, next time we do this interview, we're gonna have to practice the, uh, temporal alchemy to make sure that we talk a lot longer. And it feels like it's just been 20 minutes.

Tom: Well, had we started with, uh, nine in and Out breaths before we did anything, that would've been a key.

Will & Karen: Oh Tom, darn it. Next time. Next time.

Tom: time. Yeah,

Will & Karen: Alright. Alright. Tom, thank you so much for coming on the show. It's been an absolute pleasure. Sure has.

Tom: for me too.

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