What’s Blocking Your Spiritual Awakening?

Will & Karen: [00:00:00] Karen. Yes. What do you get when you mix divine wisdom Spiritual empowerment. and a direct line to the great council of light. It sounds like a heavenly cupcake. A heavenly cupcake. Well, you said mix and I went to cooking. No, that's a great, that's like the way better way to describe her than I can ever imagine.

That's such a great way to explain. No, but you get this week's guest, of course, and that's Pamela Downs. Of course, a heavenly cupcake. That's perfect. But she's a spiritual guide who's helping people literally live their calling, right? Pamela. is going to blow our minds again with her journey of channeling divine guidance, running her spirit calling community, and, oh yeah, answering the big question, are we all destined for greatness or is it just a lucky few who get that VIP pass from the universe? Plus, we'll get into the real deal on what's activating our inner wisdom, actually, what that actually looks like. Hint, no, it doesn't [00:01:00] involve a crystal ball, but it might involve a couple of crystals. Okay. We'll get into that. The episode is packed with clarity, laughs, and maybe even a message straight from the cosmos.

So buckle up skeptics and seekers alike. This ride is going intergalactic and it's one you do not want to miss because it might Just be the divine nudge. You didn't know that you needed the skeptic metaphysicians starts now. [00:02:00] Hey there. I'm Will and I'm Karen.

And our guest today is someone that you have already met a long time ago. And she makes a repeat performance here on the show today. We couldn't be more excited. She is dedicated her life to helping others connect with their highest selves and embrace their spiritual purpose. She's not just a spiritual guide.

She's a channel for the great council of light. And a lot more these days, but we'll talk about that. she is the founder of the spirit calling community and the host of the wildly inspiring live the call podcast Now through her transformational work. She's empowered countless individuals awaken to their inner wisdom Align with their true path and live life of divine clarity and purpose Please help us welcome the one, the only Pamela Downs.

Pamela, we're so thrilled to have you join us today. How are you doing? Welcome to the show.

Pamela: What an opener, man. That was amazing. It got me so excited about myself. It

Will & Karen: I mean, you are Pamela Downs. It's so good to have

Pamela: guys. [00:03:00] I used to perform in the David Bowie tribute band and dress up in glam rock costumes and sing to thousands of people. And it felt like that. That felt like the moment. So I want to say thank you for that.

Will & Karen: you had me at David Bowie. Sounds like so much fun.

I think I would

Pamela: send you guys some videos. I still have them. I don't know if I wear them. Maybe I'll wear them later.

Will & Karen: You just sit on your podcast. Just David Bowie out.

Pamela: I should. I should just do that for a surprise one episode. That would be awesome.

Will & Karen: That would be cool. Hey, I wonder if you could channel David Bowie someday. That would be

Pamela: I, yeah, I feel like I have actually before, before my channeling days, I felt an energy come

Will & Karen: Oh, good God, we, we are going to talk offline because I am a big Bowie head. So right.

Pamela: can't wait to send you my links to my, my performances. Yeah.

Will & Karen: I can't wait to see you. Yeah. All right. So Pamela, you are an old friend of the show. So we're thrilled to have you back.

this is, it's a homecoming. It's a reunion. We're thrilled to have you. And there's so many different directions that we can head in, but I think probably for those that maybe aren't [00:04:00] as um, familiar, familiar.

Thank you. As, uh, with you, as we are, I'm on new medication and it's given me the brain fog and I'm forgetting the word. So please bear with me as I go,

Pamela: Welcome to my everyday.

Will & Karen: for those of you, uh, the listeners and the watchers who are not familiar with you, give us a low down. I gave you a little bit of a, an introduction, but you do a lot more than what I just said.

Right? Okay. So give us a 30, 000 foot view of Pamela Downs.

Pamela: Okay. I'll try my very best. First of all, thank you for having me back. It's

awesome. Yeah, it's been a while. It's so great to see you guys. Um, let's see. Pamela Downs, 30, 000 foot view. I, I guess I, you would say I'm, uh, Major juggling act. I'm like, digital d d d d d d d d d d I've got so many things going and juggling so many different things.

But, um, I've stepped fully in the last year, in 2024, into stepping fully into my soul's purpose, going out on the grand stage and showing everyone that I channel the great [00:05:00] counsel of light and letting them actually speak through me. And, um, it took me, I, I. I call myself like a belligerent child. Sometimes I'm like, no, I don't want to do it right now.

I'm not ready. And you know, then spirit and universe kick me in the boop and I really have to listen because that's always been this path with me and this, and this work, um, since 2020 it is, can't turn my head away from it. I have to keep moving forward with it. And with that. Everything keeps expanding.

Opportunities keep coming. And when you're living with your soul first and your spirit first and you are in alignment, that's what happens. So it's really exciting. And, um, you know, I, I never thought I'd have a podcast. I never thought I would be out on a stage, not singing Diva Bowie, but channeling the great council of light.

It wasn't something I said I wanted to be when I grew up, but I'm really happy to be able to do it now because I'm seeing people's lives change. And what is better than that? Nothing.

Will & Karen: Nothing.

Pamela: It's so

Will & Karen: a great feeling. Yeah.

Pamela: Yeah, it's absolutely, you guys, we have a shared mission. You're doing [00:06:00] the same thing with your network and your podcast.

So it's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So, um, in 2020, I was hearing things, seeing things, having visions and downloads. And I heard in the middle of the night, spirit calling, spirit calling. And I got up and I wrote down the name in the morning. I bought the book. the domain. And over the course of a year, I kept hearing, you got to build this portal.

There's a portal that needs to be built. There's a community that you need to create for people who are starting their spiritual awakening journey. They need a safe place to land. They need someone who understands their journey, what they're going through. And I was like, not ready yet. Like I just said, I'm not ready yet.

And then over the course of a year, I kept hearing it. And then I woke up in the middle of the night and I saw this little icon going down onto an iPhone and I saw the wings. I saw the logo and I put it all together in my head and I knew it was the. time. So I built this portal that I know is going to house like a millions of people and I built it with the strong foundation so [00:07:00] that it will be able to do that one day and they're coming.

It's like field of dreams. It's incredible. It's incredible to watch. Yes. Yeah, I get goosebumps thinking about it.

Will & Karen: So, so what is spirit calling? Like who, who is it for? What, what kind of community is it?

Pamela: It's for the scratchers. It's for the seekers. Um, I was just on a podcast recently where I really opened up my heart and shared my whole journey, which involved, you know, the recession and, um, being an empath and energy and like all kinds of stuff. And people kept. Sending me messages, direct messages, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, info at, and like, I understand your story.

It sounds like my story. I found Abraham Hicks. I lost everything in the recession. I lost my marriage. I started seeing things in the night. I this, I that, and it was like this full circle moment for me because it was the realization of what I heard. They will see you in your story, and they're starting to, to, the reality [00:08:00] that our world was built in is existing is starting to break down.

There's cracks and people start looking through the cracks, seeing something greater with new eyes, new perspective, and they're having questions and they're trying to find the answers to them. And that involves, you know, basically just getting information, but then you're starting your spiritual awakening journey and you don't know you're doing that.

So it's for those people. It's for the people that are starting to, we had a conscious community connection circle call last night. Once a month we share messages from the Great Council of Light and then people just start opening their hearts and saying, I'm having this, this experience. This is happening to me and everyone can talk and compare notes and support each other and kind of understand where each other's at.

And then we're able to offer guidance and support and love. It's amazing. Yeah. Without judgment, without judgment in a safe space.

Will & Karen: that sounds amazing and you are being so modest because the little podcast you went on happens to be Alex Ferraro's right, a little next level soul. So this is not something, it's a [00:09:00] huge accomplishment, right? This is a big show that you're on. So first of all, congratulations for going

on the show.

That's a big

Pamela: I had nothing to do with It

It was all the universe.

Will & Karen: yes, yes, but, but you're doing something right to your point, if you are, if your intentions are in the right place and, um, your energies are in the right, going in the right direction, um, those things fall into place and, and you're obviously doing something right because, um, now you were able to get onto a vehicle that gave you, uh, access to so many different, people that were able to hear your voice and your message.

And that's a wonderful thing. So congratulations. That's, that's

Pamela: Yes. Thank you. And you're right. It is a living example of listening, pushing through fear, towards love, towards opportunity, towards all the things that are on the other side of it. And that's what you start to do. You start to listen. You start to start to push through only by experience.

Can you see the evidence of it on the other side only by experience and you have to exercise that muscle over and over and over again Then [00:10:00] you're like, okay. Yes, I understand now and then you have to say yes though on the other side of it An opportunity comes to you that you ask for you got to push through the fear and you got to find your way to To grasp it and to move forward.

And that was me. I mean, I'm, we're all doing it until the day that we leave this planet. That was me going on next level soul. It was, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I am going to do this.

Will & Karen: That's awesome. Well, Alex, if you're listening, Hey, man, we're ready, we're here, we're, we're, we can talk.

Pamela: We're ready.

Will & Karen: Boy. Can we talk? Yeah. We got stuff to say. Right. Uh, it's not at all spiritual, but we can talk. It's not quite as exciting as a, you know, Yeah. Wow. Uh, no. That, that's amazing. Um, uh, I don't wanna hog the conversation.

And, and you have been, I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, no, I just wanted to ask, so you said that you started getting these downloads and these visions and all of this stuff. Did, did something happen that just sparked that, like we, we've spoken to people who have been in, in a bicycle accident, or they just were [00:11:00] meditating really hard.

Like how did that happen?

Pamela: Yeah, it happened through a series of experiences. One of the first things that happened was I got invited to this Reiki share group. Did I tell you guys this? This was so funny. Like I wouldn't ever tell anyone to do this again There were like six or seven practitioners and it was at a yoga studio and you had to wait you paid for like a 30 minute Session so I was the last one thank God or else I would have scared everybody out of that room They no one would have done it and I got up on the table And my girlfriend was waiting outside, and all of these Reiki practitioners started working on me at the same time.

Now, I started having this swelling happening in my chest and my heart chakra just broke open, and I started howling and crying. I mean, I was howling. I had trapped emotion and energy in my heart chakra that got released, and it just came all out. Out, release, release, release. I lost my breath. Like it was [00:12:00] incredible.

And when it was done, this one woman like came rushing over to me and said, you're an empath. You're an empath. And I was like, I don't even, I didn't know what that was. You know, being the artist and musician my whole life, I didn't know what that was. And that was the beginning. Like when you, you have these experiences that you can't deny.

There was something that you never experienced before. You want to know more and you want to know more. So I started with yoga. A lot of people start with yoga. There's, you feel like it's a spiritual practice, you're moving your body and there is that spiritual aspect to it. And then I moved into yoga nidra, which is a meditation.

And I started seeing these colors on the sides of my eyes. So it's one thing after the next, but you're doing the next thing. You're like seeking, you're wanting more. Um, you're going to the library or, or, you know, Google and you're looking up what is the colors that I'm seeing or what is this or what is that?

And then you're just doing a deep dive and trying and trying and trying. Um, I started, I found Abraham Hicks. Do you guys, I'm sure you

know [00:13:00] Abraham. That was, uh, that was, uh, That was one of the first things I found Abraham and I was going through a recession. I lost everything. My husband lost his job. Um, I was, I had my own business and marketing was the first thing that got cut.

And we really had what I call my knockdown, which was you need to experience something to shift everything in your. perspective and your reality and that's what happened and um, I saw Abraham and I was so captivated by Esther because I, you know, you don't know what you're looking at because she's, she's walking around just like we are right now.

She's speaking, her eyes are open, she's animated, but she is a channeler and channels this energy of this divine collective infinite group of beings called Abraham and she talks about the law of attraction and manifestation and I was hooked on that immediately. I, I didn't understand that my talk tracks, my words.

We're beating the drum of lack and I was creating more and more and more and more and more of that So I started changing [00:14:00] my talk tracks. I started changing my perspective. I started saying, oh, yeah We lost our big house, but we found this little tiny house and we're all together Walking my kids to school every day.

I get to spend this time with them. Oh, you know, I have been able to carry my business through a recession, like finding the golden nuggets rather than just beating that drum over and over again. And things started to change. And people started coming into my life. And other people started leaving my life.

And I started seeing more opportunities. And this woman who was, um, she was Forbes 30 under 30. A sustainability expert in New York City, this woman Kelly, she was feeling called to be a Reiki practitioner. She wanted to go to the mountains and do ayahuasca with the indigenous people. And she wanted to start a business.

And she said to me, um, I want to do this business. Can you do the branding and marketing for it? And I said, yeah, let's do it. You know, let's do trade. I know you're just starting out. And I wound up [00:15:00] going on this retreat that she created on the top of this crystal quartz mountain in Costa Rica. And I didn't really want to be a Reiki practitioner, but I was being called.

I don't know how to explain it other than I was being called. I knew I was supposed to go and I didn't have the knowings. I wasn't having the visions yet. I was just um, I mean the visions and stuff, but I was just being pulled. The same thing that happened with the heart chakra. Yeah. Happened down in Costa Rica.

I learned all about chakras. I learned all about me, the empath and my energy. I suddenly had this realization about myself that I never understood before and at the end of that week I was attuned and Kelly was working on me and doing the attunement and I had a past life come through my throat chakra And I actually experienced a hanging and I was foaming at the mouth and it was incredibly scary So this doesn't happen everyone but it was also one of those things That was crazy.

There's [00:16:00] something more like, you know, I needed to keep moving forward And so I I think you know ultimately now I can look back on all these things like the ayahuasca and I was on the fast track to getting to the point where I could channel because the world is shifting and my work is needed again and like, you know, if you look at it really happened over the course of I don't know not even 10 years, you know, five five six years.

Um, and through that I started Transcription by CastingWords Knowing I was supposed to do ayahuasca and I started meditating and have hearing my father talk to me at night And I would have I would go on a walk and hear Turn down the street and I would run into you know, someone who was in need I I kept having the same experiences and when I went to the Costa Rica, I mean, um, yeah, I went to Costa Rica again to do ayahuasca arrhythmia.

When I saw, I went to

arrhythmia, when I was on my deep dive of where did Jesus go all those years and like, you know, all the things, I saw the video [00:17:00] of Gerald Powell. He's the founder of arrhythmia. I saw his story, he was addicted to sex and gambling and alcohol and drugs and everything. And his friend challenged him to do a plant medicine, it wasn't ayahuasca, it was something else.

And he went to the jungle and he did it and he cured his addictions. He was revealed this um, experience that happened when he was a little boy of being abused. And all of his addictions. were cured and he was a hotelier, he had big like you know, um, hotels and stuff that he had launched. He took his skills, he created Rhythmia Life Advancement Center.

I, the moment I saw it, I knew I was going there. I didn't know how, I didn't know when, but I knew that I was going there and um, You know, those people that come into your life, this man came into my life. I was doing trade with this business coach and she said, will you work with my company? And I said, sure.

And I work with [00:18:00] the company. And she said, will you go in this symposium? Um, it's down in Florida. And I said, sure. And I went down to the symposium and I walked in and I was like, okay, I'm going to And I walked up to the owner of the company and I said, Steve, it's Pamela. Hi, it's so nice to meet you. And he looked at me, I looked at him, we shook hands and this energy came through both of our heads, out our hearts.

And when, and he looked at me and he said, do you feel that? And I said, I do. And I mean, I didn't, I couldn't look at him. Like I've never experienced anything like that either. Like I sound like a crazy person, but this, this is my reality. And, um, I went to the symposium, and I learned, and it was fun, and I met people, and when I came home, I was sitting, working, I was on a Zoom call, my phone rings, I see this odd number, and I look at it, I hear Steve, and I went back on my call, when it was done, I listened to the message, and he was like, Pamela, this is Steve, I want to talk about what that experience was.

Um, give me a call backs. I called him back later and [00:19:00] he said, you know, we talked about that. And he said, well, you know, I'm on my way. I'm going on a trip. Um, I'm going to do ayahuasca, but I never, I don't really ever share this with people in business. It's not something I would ever say. And I was like, ayahuasca, I was like, I was like, I'm going to do ayahuasca.

I'm going to go to Rhythmia Life Advancement Center. I'm not sure when, I don't know how. And he goes, Pamela. I'm going to arrhythmia in November. I'm like, no, you're not like nobody talks about this like nine to five business stuff Nobody's talking about it. And um, we wound up becoming friends very good friends, and I kept hearing he's gonna invite you He's going to invite you and I was like, we'll see so he came back to me and he said Pamela I'm being guided to invite you to this There's yeah, there's you guys never heard this

Will & Karen: No. First time. No. Yeah.

Pamela: 110 people there, all going to clear addictions, to clear trauma, to clear, you know, there's an energy to that, right? There's a release of [00:20:00] energy. There's, there's an environment to that. He said, Pamela, one of the people in my group, Um, the Transformation of Leadership Council.

One of the people in this group is a, is one of the founders of Rhythmia. They're shutting the whole place down and only the members of Rhythmia are going to, I mean, the members of TLC are going to be there only, only four, 40 high conscious people are going to be there. You're going to love them. And I'm like, he goes, you're just going to enjoy them so much and you have to pay your own way and you can, you know, join us.

But, and I was like, Oh my God, this is incredible. Well, I wound up getting. a tax return check that was exactly what I needed to go to arrhythmia. I mean, this is how much the universe wants me to do this. Um, I, I, uh, there's this, I mean, you can't make this up. And, um, I went and I was scared. You know, when you go to do a sacred plant medicine, and for those of you who are listening and Thinking about ayahuasca and considering plant medicine.

It is a [00:21:00] very, very, very intentional experience. You must have a calling for it. It's not something to dabble in, to mess around with, to take lightly at all. And um, and I knew that, but I also knew this, this moving through fear to courage, moving through fear and courage was my work. And I also knew every time I got on that stage to sing David Bowie, was my work.

I, I don't know. I knew I had to get on the stage to get out there in front of people and I was petrified every time, but I, I did it and I'm terrified. And, um, that whole week long, we did ayahuasca every night for four nights, multiple times a night. I cleared so much trauma from this life, from past lives.

I. Elevated my frequency every time I had a revelation and worked on my energy body. By the end of the week, we did a breathwork class and I was flying high. We're eating vegan. [00:22:00] I'm working on my energy body. I'm having these amazing experiences with music and it was just Beautiful. We do this breath work class and it's almost like Kundalini yoga.

So you're like, you're getting yourself into this elevated state. And, um, this light shot through my third eye, filled my whole body up with this vibration. I heard crackle, crackle, crackle in my head. And I heard your psychic abilities have been enhanced. Everything from this moment forward will be different.

And that's what happened. That was November 2019. Now I came home and COVID came, you know, several months later. And, um, I'm still in the essence and the spirit of this sacred plant medicine. I was, I still was, you know, Having the experiences that I was having in Arrhythmia. I had this bank of time because the world shut down and everything was different where I was able to sit every morning in intention [00:23:00] and just say and show up with no attachments.

This is what I tell my clients all the time, I don't like the word clients, I'm trying to find a new word for them. The people that I work with, you have to say to the universe, I am here, I am open, I am ready to receive. Let's work together. Not, I want you to show me a feather, and I want you to do this, and I want to, like, you have to, you are opening up without attachments, zero attachments, and saying, I'm ready, I'm willing, I want this, this is what I want, and let's, let's have a relationship, just like you would do for anyone in your life that you wanted to create a relationship with.

And I did that, and I started, It's it's, it started at first with this amazing, beautiful group of divine feminine, um, energies that were effervescent and floating and absolutely beautiful. And they came in and they started doing, releasing the trauma from past life deaths. I started experiencing the deaths [00:24:00] and releasing them.

So I had to experience them. And then I had to feel the sorrow of them and then I would release it from my body. It happened over and over again every morning for, for, I don't know, for several, for like a month, several months. And every time I did that, I was raising my frequency. I was elevating my energy and my, my energy body and my vibration.

And I did that over and over and over again. And as I was raising my frequency, I was having experiences with angelic beings, with. ATs with light language with like all these different things and I was open to experiencing them. I worked with a person here or there that came on my path to help me navigate, but I did a lot of it myself.

And um, I remember the day that the light language came in, I was just sitting there and I could feel it. Feel like, almost like a spiraling, like a thread coming down. Coming down. And I [00:25:00] heard,

and it just went right into my body and I was elevating my frequency again. And then, um, the council wanted to start coming in. I didn't know they were the council at that point. And I started having pressure on the back of my head. It's where it's called the Atlas and the mouth of God. I mean, it was just like, can I get a break here?

It was like one thing after the next thing after the next thing. But I had these little angels who would come into my life and help me navigate. And you met one of them the last time we were on. She had this, the same experience with her Atlas. And you know, everyone comes to help you when they need to.

And then, um, through the, through flexing that muscle of trying to channel and trying to meet these angelic beings at a frequency. I was raising mine and they were lowering theirs and I was able to have this transference of energy. That's where the trans channeling [00:26:00] started. It was really, really, really cool.

It's very cool. So ETs would come through me. I would feel the way that their, their, their physicality was, I would feel their vibration. I would speak their language. I had to have like a crash course of all of it. I had negative energies permeate my being. I had experiences with really deep, dark, scary energies, but that's not anything to be fearful of.

It's learning all that is. You have to have the contrast to understand it. It's like anything else. You have to have the light to understand it. And the dark, they go together, because you can't have, you know, the dark in a light room. So you have to understand that. And especially if you're going to be channeling beings, you really need to understand what the frequencies are,

Will & Karen: Okay. I'm out.

Pamela: I'll help you, Will, I'll help you.

Will & Karen: Can you choose who you get to channel? Right.

Oh, hey.

Pamela: actually.

Will & Karen: Oh, okay.

Pamela: can be, you can have discernment. Most definitely can [00:27:00] have

Will & Karen: alright, well I just want bunnies and Santa Claus and bunnies. Yes. Bunnies. I love bunnies. A little fluffy and soft and it's cute and cuddly. Don't say much, uh, but it's okay. Yeah. I just wanna hang out with 'em. You just start chewing a carrot,

Pamela: Yeah, your audience is laughing right now. Yeah,

Will & Karen: But, uh, no, your story's remarkable. Really is, and you know. When you have someone on the show and, um, you forget that you're a podcast host and you just sit there and just listening and you forget you, Oh, I'm supposed to ask a question here.

This is what's happening. I can literally just sit here and listen to you because, um, if every once in a while you, you come across a story that just captivates you. And, um, my life is on, tape delay. So I have, I subscribed to a thousand podcasts and I subscribed to Alex's podcast and I haven't gotten to yours yet.

So I'm, I don't know what you talked to him about, but now I'm going to go fast forward to it, to that one because, um, I'm excited. I'm excited to hear what it's about. Uh, cause I haven't gotten to it yet, but, [00:28:00] um, in your estimation, because you, you have access to obviously the, Council, but all kinds of different entities that come through you.

So you have access to a lot of information that humanity really needs to know right now. What out of, if you could discern one or two messages that are the most important that people need to know right now, what is the thing that's coming through the loudest in, in these times?

Will: We need to take a quick pause, but we'll be right back right after these messages.

And now back to the skeptic metaphysicians.

Will & Karen: if you could discern one or two messages that are the most important that people need to know right now, what is the thing that's coming through the loudest in, in these times?

Pamela: individual frequency. They want you to understand that you are able to be prepared.

What does that mean? It means really having discernment with [00:29:00] every single thing in your life. What are you doing? What are you passing the hours by? What are you consuming? What are you thinking about? What are you talking about? What are you

Will & Karen: And you're talking yours, yours in the general sense, right? Not

Pamela: Yeah. You individually. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, take that dial to yourself and say, cause ultimately they want us to learn how to raise our vibrations, raise our frequencies.

And, um, if you just take, just take today, you know, did you take time to. Okay. Cool. Eat something that was high vibrational. Did you sit around and gossip and, and waste time doing things that weren't serving you? Did you spend time with people that weren't serving you? Did you, you know, those sorts of things because every single thing is a part of your frequency, a part of your vibration.

Um, with the shifts that are coming, they talk about, you know, fear with events that happen on the planet. There is fear with certain events that are coming. The stronger you [00:30:00] are. The more sturdy you are in a storm, you know, you don't want to be a bowling pin that just gets knocked down. You want to be strong.

You want to be prepared like you would if you were conditioning as an athlete or whatever. You want, you want to, I say this a hundred million times, you want to hold yourself in high regard. Look at yourself critically. Take, take, um, look, like, look at your day, look at your, what you're doing with your pastime, all the things.

Um, it's very important right now and to learn about that because I don't think that people are really kind of even thinking about it. They're just consuming idly. They're consuming the news, they're consuming social media, they're, they're taking other people's truths as their own. And it's really all about like, what are you doing for you?

What are you doing for you? And there's tools, there's resources, there's people that are available to you to help you Work on that, on your frequency. Um, that's one of the big things. And with that comes, stop the [00:31:00] fighting. What are you fighting for? Why do you need to fight? You don't. Stop it. Stop it.

There's no reason for it. Because you're just conditioned to do it continually, over and over again. You're picking fights before you go and write a comment. Why do you need to? You don't need to do it. Take your harness, your energy back. Get your power back. Stop spreading it all over haphazardly. Pay attention, okay?

Will & Karen: Absolutely.

Pamela: is the message.

Will & Karen: Wow. Yeah. The best thing you can do is just remove yourself from any situation that you just don't feel aligned with. It just doesn't make sense. Just there's no point. There's no point in making just strife or, or, or drama or, we, we, yeah. Couldn't agree more. And if you are working to raise your vibrations, why Put yourself in situations where you know you're gonna get triggered and tempted Just.

Get out of that all together for,

Pamela: yes. Yeah, there's so many messages about that. You just politely excuse yourself from the situation. You should hear the way that the guides talk about it. It cracks me up. They like give scenarios, you know. [00:32:00] But it's true. Don't spend time with family members you don't enjoy. You get to choose. You get to choose what you do, what you experience, or whomever that

is.

Will & Karen: doesn't mean you don't wish the best for that family member because you do, you just, you just, it's not, you're not in alignment. That's all it is. So yeah,

Yeah.

Pamela: Yeah. Yeah.

Mm hmm. So that is one of their big things. Um, another thing is, just to be prepared that there are events that are coming to our planet. And, you know, I, I, six months ago, I think, maybe no, October, I got pushed. You'll hear about that on his podcast. I got pushed to share my predictions, to share all the visions that I've had since 2020.

And they're about global events. They're about everything. And the moment I started doing that, like everything changed in my life because again, I went out on stage because I stepped out of fear. And, um, they, people say, why are you telling us [00:33:00] this? You're fear mongering. No, I'm not. I came back at this particular time on planet earth with a contract with the great council of light to do this stuff like Like I could be singing on stage and having fun in it in a costume But I am here to channel these messages to help you be prepared not scared And so it's your perspective how you look at it really and they teach about love they teach about vibration They teach about just being you know Prepared and ready. Yeah

Will & Karen: bring up a good question because we've had lots of people on the show that talk about us choosing our reality and the things that sometimes people, uh, predict and they say, and we've heard, we've had people come on and say, this is coming, this is coming, this is coming, but we can all. Select our own reality we choose this timeline.

We will experience this if we choose a different timeline We may experience something else. Is that something that you adhere to as well or no?

Pamela: absolutely, and the guides [00:34:00] say that. We have our individual experiences and our collective experiences, and every, every time you make a choice, you are affecting a timeline, which collect, which collectively is affect, it's affected collectively. So yeah, they're simultaneous realities happening all of the time, and all of these things relate to.

You know what timelines here now. Um, it's interesting because I'm learning my skill now, you know, and I'm learning it publicly and I have make mistakes too because I'm human and I'm trying to discern information when I get a vision in the middle of the night that wakes me up on vacation and it's, it shows me a bank of weeks and, and then I, the next thing shows me the third week of October.

I'm the one sitting there trying to put these pieces together. Having already seen tsunamis and having seen, you know, an awareness campaign of very friendly and loving ships in the sky, having seen a fake alien invasion, I mean I have A library of visions that I've seen for, [00:35:00] for planet Earth, who knows when they're happening.

So I'm sitting there going, when is four weeks? When is the third week of like, I'm putting all the pieces together. Well, it happened to be the week that next level soul invitation came in my inbox. It was, it had nothing to do with the rest of the world, but it had something to do for me, you know? So it's

like,

Will & Karen: right,

Pamela: yeah, it's incredible.

It's interesting.

Will & Karen: how do we choose the best timeline so that all the bad shit stays away?

Pamela: Yes, stay in your highest, stay in your highest and best. Stay in your highest and

Will & Karen: no gossiping, no drama, you

Pamela: yeah, yeah You always want to feel like everything you're doing and you're saying that's coming out of you is the highest and best. You'll have no problems,

Will & Karen: And so then I gotta work on that with, with all of these, these, visions and, and these events that are happening, that seemed like they might not be the most pleasant, um, is the overall effect a positive [00:36:00] one?

Pamela: It's absolutely, yeah, the systems have to break down for it to be replaced with, with beauty. And that's what's happening now. And the infrastructure that has created our reality, which is a lower frequency dynamic that a lot of people are entangled in has to be untangled.

Will & Karen: Mm

Pamela: It has to be broken down. And the only way, just like I tell everyone, to learn a sheet of music, you have to work through it.

To create a painting, you have to work through it. There's only one way to get through it. Can't go around it, up on top of it, or below it. You gotta go through it. So that's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. And that's why you're here, and I'm here, to help everyone as much as we can. Um, you know, I never, like I said before, I'm fifty four, like, I'm just starting something.

I have a baby that's just starting to walk and, you know, and, and soon hopefully it'd be running all over the place. But, you know, it's, this is the time right now. And I [00:37:00] clearly said I was ready for it in another place and time.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, uh, can I, can I take that back? No. Yeah. No, I, I, uh, totally understand. Um, uh, and, uh, we are in the age of Aquarius, right? Uh, every, everyone, not everyone, a lot of people that we talk to say the same thing that, that big changes are coming. And it's all for the highest good and you're right.

I think the, the institutions that we currently have, you see, you see evidently

they're broken. They are broken. Um, there's no denying it anymore. Uh, when, when you go, when I broke my ankle in Europe over the summer and, um, I was happened, I was, I was fortunate enough to be in a country where I was able to be treated for a very Fair amount of money.

Pamela: hmm.

Will & Karen: I came back to this country and [00:38:00] two sessions of physical therapy cost me three times what I paid. Four times what I paid in that country. Yeah. Just physical therapy by itself. That shouldn't be. That shouldn't be because, and that was after my insurance company paid, right, or before my insurance company paid for anything.

Before they wouldn't even kick in. Right. But yeah, we're talking doctor, ambulance ride, radiologist, cast, prescriptive medicines, whatever it is. All over there, for nothing. Right, and that's just one institution. We're talking about one, and when you look at all of it, and as a whole, you can make an argument for almost, I would, I don't know if there's any institution that we currently have that isn't

Pamela: No, yeah, they talk about it all the time. They say our, um, our health care, our finance, our entertainment, our music, even our, uh, influencers,

um, all of it. They, yeah, They, talk about it. They just talked about it [00:39:00] recently and they, they said something very interesting about even the ways of creating retirements.

You know, it's like everything, single thing has been laid out for us. Every single thing and there's new ways to doing things. There's new ways to creating and I channeled I'm about to do it again should be done next week A predictions video an energy update for 2025 I did it for 2024 and the guides said that there would be an assassination attempt on Trump And they said that the music industry would start to break down people would fall down far from their positions and, um, you know, be exposed.

And that's, that happened. It did, it, it happened last year. And there's more of that. I, I did, I did channel at 2025. Um, it got heavy. So I walked away when I go back and I might, you know, but, but, you know, not having in a bad way, heavy in that there's going to be a lot of things that happen and to create that breakdown to create that rebuild.

Will & Karen: And [00:40:00] we did hear the 25 is the, the, the, the rough year, right. We did

Pamela: Oh yeah.

Will & Karen: one more year. 25 is the year. Then once we get beyond 25, things are going to start to get a little bit better. So just hang in there and

you're

Pamela: in there, everybody. Yeah.

Will & Karen: right. You're right. You're here. We're here. The network is here.

Everyone's here. We have lots of people here. They're here to help. Um, uh. We just have to be grateful for what we have. Find, find things to be thankful for. Look for the gratitude because when you get in that mode, it helps you to, it makes everything a little bit better. Right. So let's change the perspective here.

Right. Because there's a lot of stuff that we're talking about that makes people go, Oh my God, I don't want to have to go. So it's, it's, it's actually. Um, was it Michael Singer, the book I'm reading right now that talks about, um, you hang on to these same scares, same, same Sarah, same scares, whatever it's, it's, it's these, it's these thought forms that if you hang on to it, like, uh, um, you see a rattlesnake and, um, Oh my God, you're so scared of this rattlesnake and all of a sudden anything, everything you [00:41:00] remind you of rattlesnake at that image, no rattlesnake, that image is stuck in your mind.

So you're always happy. You live in that fear.

Pamela: Mm hmm.

Will & Karen: Everything that's happening, it. You let, let it pass through you. It doesn't affect you. It's not, it's not a matter of, um, of letting it get stuck in your psyche. It's a matter of,

Pamela: Mm

Will & Karen: yeah, it's understanding that it is, everything is exactly as it's supposed to.

It's gonna maybe affect you for a second, but it's just that moment.

It's everything is going to pass through and it's going to be, we are endless beings. And this physical reality, yes, this physical reality is not the end all for us. This is just a blip in, in time for us and it's going to get better. Um,

Pamela: the end of the 2025, um, uh, this is the January message that I channeled for my community. And it was all about you are the creator of your reality. [00:42:00] What have you said that you wanted to create in your life? Write it down. Measure everything, review everything. What is it that you said?

Don't hold back from anything that you've said in your life. Write it down. Now, write down what you have created. Now, compare the two and realize that you are the center of your existence. Everything must go through you to create it. You create it and it talked all about how to do that. And then the very end of it, it says this year of 2025 will be abundant for those who are able to visualize themselves and regain their power to create the life that is centered around themselves that they desire.

Nothing will stand in the way of that. No war, no confusion, no misdirection of your world. You stand as a dynamic force that you are and draw all to you. You draw to you. You draw what you want to you.

Will & Karen: And it's, it's as granular, I've told, we were talking to our daughter about this the other day. It's as granular as anything you say after the words, I am. [00:43:00] So you have to be so careful. How many times have you said, Oh, I'm so tired. Okay, here you go. Or like, um, our nephew is saying, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. If, if you say, I apologize, because if you're saying, I'm sorry, you're saying you're a sorry person.

Yeah. If you did something wrong, say, I apologize. Yeah, it's, but it's, it, we're so programmed and it's by design and, but that's a whole other conversation we can have,

Pamela: We could talk about that another time because I have to talk like two hours about

Will & Karen: Yeah, absolutely. But, but definitely, um, so, um, tell us about, cause you have a, so spirit calling, um, live the call is a, is a wildly inspiring podcast that,

Pamela: It's cool. yeah,

Will & Karen: it, it is very cool.

Tell us about that. What, what, what's happening with that?

Pamela: Well, it started out as a community call because I wanted to highlight people that were that had list. They heard it. They heard that little whisper of their spirit calling. And then they answered it. They actually took the [00:44:00] conviction, took it and owned it. And now they're living it. So that's what we talk about in, in our community is hearing it, answering it and living it.

And I wanted to show people who were living it. So I interview people that are living their soul's purpose and they start out by sharing their awakening story. It's an inspiration for people to say, Hey, I can do that. Oh my God. Like kind of what I did on the podcast. This is what my life story was. This is what I was experiencing.

This is how I picked myself up or this is how I redirected myself. And this is how I fulfilled my dreams. I had this woman that I met with last week, Jodi. She was, um, she loved riding horses, this little spitfire with red hair and freckles. I mean, her picture, she's just so damn cute. She had an accident, lost her right hand.

Well, that didn't stop her. She got on a horse two weeks later and she has now. She, this long story of loss and marriage and this and that and all these things, she heard [00:45:00] spirit say, finish what you started. And she started this horse therapy, um, foundation. And like, that's amazing. You know, It's just wonderful to hear these stories and to see what people are doing.

So that's what live the call is about. I love doing

Will & Karen: I,

Pamela: I I interviewed people from my life, you know, I'm slowly bringing in some of the people that were at the ayahuasca journey with me. One of them was Ken Honda.

Will & Karen: Oh, we

Pamela: yeah, yeah. He's cool. Yeah. So he did my live the call a couple of months ago. Um, and I'm trying to get some others that, you know, to tell their stories.

And then I like just, you know, average people that nobody knows. Like, you know, they, they flipped their life upside down and, you know, left corporate America to create, you know, something that they really wanted to create to help

Will & Karen: I

Pamela: So that's what Live the Call is. Yeah. And that fuels me. It makes me excited and that I can bring that to the world and my community.

Um, and then inside of the community, we have our Awakeners Hour, which we actually have like a practitioner or someone who's [00:46:00] in the energy field or, um, you they could be on Live the Call, but they lead a session. And they teach about their modality so that the Scratchers and the Seekers who are coming get educated too and can experience an Akashic Record release or, you know, um, an emotional block experience or whatever.

Yeah. I

Will & Karen: how, how do you handle all that? It's

a lot.

Pamela: I don't know. I have a whole other business. I have, I do, I do, I do. It's funny. It's, it's, um, it's a giant lesson of, of surrender.

Will & Karen: Wow.

Pamela: Because when I get stuck in my head with balance sheets and projections, and because I run a branding and marketing firm. I have four employees. I do that during the day.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm . Right?

Pamela: Um, I have this, which, you know, it's a baby and I have all these moving parts to it. But when I get caught up in the hows and the whys, and the, oh, how's this going to happen when I'm laying in bed, it's, it's, it's, You know, then you, [00:47:00] you get an inbox invitation and I didn't have to do anything. I didn't ask to be on that podcast.

It came to

Will & Karen: That's Amazing.

Amazing. Absolutely

Pamela: Well, I'll tell you one last story that I think is important. Um, I lived in, outside of Philadelphia, New Jersey for 24 years. And my beloved, who I met, the universe introduced us. I was in Florida, he was in Florida, and we met one weekend, just, it happened that way. And um, after I had had many long distance relationships, I said, I'm never going to do it again.

And I watched, um, Jim Carrey's Yes Man,

and it changed my life because I decided to start saying yes again. And, and I met him and he was like, well, should we try to meet? And I was like, yes. and I was, and meanwhile, I'm like, I'm two and But, um, I tell you that because I was doing this long distance thing for a while and my youngest was going to college last spring.

I wasn't going to sell my house until last year. I wasn't going to [00:48:00] sell it until 2024. In 2023, in April, in 2023, I woke up in the middle of the night and I saw a for sale by owner sign on the front of my house. I heard how much to sell it for as is cash fast sell. And I got up and I went, I'm not ready to sell my house.

I'm not ready to do that. I walked across the street that morning to bring my dog to a playdate to my neighbors and she said, what are you going to do when your youngest goes to college? I said, I just decided I'm going to sell my house today. She goes, do you know that my dad loves your house? He knew the woman that lived there.

They already draw, drew architect plans to put a second floor on it. I sold it in hours. And I said, listen, I'm not going to sell it for anything less than this. I want to walk away from the table with it, but I can't leave. Until I get everything done and I get this kid to college, I can't leave until like August.

You can choose your, your, um, date, whatever you want. And that's why I knew that Spirit wanted me to invest in [00:49:00] building the marketing for this and building on all the pieces for this. I built the platform, but I needed to start telling the world about it. And because I listened. Because I listened.

Spirit's like, we've got you. We understand how convicted you are about this and this is why, you know, this, this is happening. So,

it's amazing,

Will & Karen: Yeah, it really

is. And I hear that you do, uh, you did all those, um, all those trade stuff. So we have nothing to trade, but we'd love to do trade with you.

Pamela: Okay.

Will & Karen: So think about it, we'll talk

Pamela: What exactly does that mean? I'll think about it.

Will & Karen: it.

well, um, I love spirit calling. If someone wanted to get involved with it, what's the best way or listen to your, your podcast or, or get in touch with you? What's the best way for someone to reach out?

Pamela: of course. Thank you for asking me. Um, it was really important for me that everyone have a way to get to me. I didn't want money to be a big issue. [00:50:00] So the community is a very low monthly fee. You get a ton of things. You get events, you get resources, you get a curated sound healing every month. That's curated just for our community, and it's beautiful.

You get access to me. Um, that's at spirit calling. com. And then, um, I have the Live the Call podcast. It's on my YouTube at Spirit Calling Pamela, my Instagram and TikTok at Spirit Calling Pamela, and Facebook is Spirit Calling Live the Call. But I want to tell people that, um, you are able to work with me to channel a message from your guides.

This is really valuable information. I have helped so many people change their lives just by getting confirmation or something, resolve, or just a slightest bit of of a kick in the butt or something they just needed to hear. I've had people also move, change their life, their jobs show up when they, exactly what they needed in the town and house sold for, you know, twice as [00:51:00] much as what they offer.

Like it's, it's incredible down to um, you know, people wanting to know where their loved ones are or maybe having a health issue or something. So there's three different ways to work with me on my Pamela work with me page and you can find it on spirit calling and it's my greatest joy. I freaking love it.

I love it. Love it.

Will & Karen: you can tell it just like the energy that just beams out of you. Definitely, absolutely emanates. We're going to add a direct link in our show notes so people can go to our website if they're so inclined. Uh, obviously they can go to yours directly, but if you don't, uh, if you didn't have a pin at that particular point in time, you know, you can always go to skepticmetaphysician.

com, go to her episode page and you will see a link directly in there. So it's easy for you to reach out to Pamela.

Pamela: Awesome.

Will & Karen: It's been so wonderful to

Pamela: totally. It

Will & Karen: Thanks so much for coming back. Hopefully, I know this won't be the last time, uh, because we love you and we hope that, um, uh, that, that we will find some way to combine forces and collaborate in

Pamela: And trade?

Will & Karen: will find a way. Yes. We'll find [00:52:00] a way to do a trade. So,

Pamela: It sounds awesome. I loved seeing you guys too and everything that you're doing and I can't wait to come back again for sure.

Thank you so much. Mm hmm

Will & Karen: talk soon.

Pamela: You're welcome. Bye. Bye

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