Shibari Healing and Sacred Sexuality | Amber J Lawson

Sacred Sexuality

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Will: I'm telling you this one, you're not prepared. You're not prepared. 

Karen: It's going to be 

Amber J: really 

Will: fun. Yeah, no, you are not prepared today. We're talking about Shibari and secret sexuality. Do you even know what all that is?

Well, 

Karen: I 

Will: know it's sexuality. Like, have you heard of Shibari? 

Karen: Well, now I have, but I hadn't until, until we, you 

Will: know yep. I had, I had neither. I thought I had until I looked it up and went. Nope, Nope. I have not. I did not know what this is

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Will: 

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to yet. Another fun filled episode of the skeptic metaphysician. And order to talk about Shibari, we brought someone back on our show.

One of my favorite people on the planet, because she has some personal experiences with it. And is the perfect person to talk about this brand new modality? That is, I'm not sure is for me, but certainly for a lot of folks out there, 

Karen: I feel like we should have some background music on. Remember that song was like the eighties or nineties.

Let's talk about six babies. Let's talk 

about, 

Will: I was thinking more about long lines of like Mt. 

Karen: Around.

Will: Sexual healing. Yeah. That's even better. Well, yeah, let's, let's bring in our guest. Amber J. Lawson, who has been on the show before is here with us today to give us the complete rundown on Shibari healing and Sacred sexuality. Amber, Jay, thanks so [00:02:00] much for coming on the show. 

Amber J: Ah, it is my honor.

Karen: Oh gosh, no, this is great. This is, I can do it. I'm getting the 

Amber J: vibe, man. It's going to be great. 

Will: Well, let's just set the table. Amber, J, what the heck are we talking about today? 

Amber J: We're talking about sacred sexuality in releasing the shame around sex. In the United States in particular. And I'm sure other places in the world I grew up good girls don't that you don't give away 

the milk.

So they buy the cow. Yes, I'm from Raytown Missouri.

So 

going through this practice, Hiring a consultant to [00:03:00] support me in this sacred sexuality journey. 

I got 

experienced and embodied new tools to support the women I work with. And when women are embodied and empowered and free, the world's just. 

Will: Yeah. So we're talking about a modality that allows women to truly develop themselves as who they are and releasing all kinds of negativeness that society has put upon women as a whole.

Is that right? 

Amber J: Sure.

Karen: Hi. Okay. I saw the pictures. All right. Well, 

Will: gosh, I don't even know how to start this conversation. I didn't know what it was 

Amber J: by the way, nor did I. 

Will: And if you're listening [00:04:00] to this and you're near a computer, make sure it's not a computer connected to a work network because you do not want to look this up when you are on a network that is used for.

Career purposes cause you may not have it afterwards. 

Amber J: I, the problem to begin with, 

Will: well, it just so happens. We actually had dinner with some friends of ours. Who's the husband is from France and they're actually raising their daughter to be a lot more. Open with sexuality because in France, they don't have the stigma that we in the United States have.

And we can go down the series rabbit hole about where it comes from the fact that the country was founded by Puritans, and we've never been able to let all that go and all that kind of stuff. So. Let's not do that

because it's going to open up all kinds of cans of worms. I just had a massive battle with people last night on Facebook. I don't want to get into those kind of conversations again. So, but let's just get to the nitty [00:05:00] right. sacred sexuality. Shibari healing. This is something that when I looked up. I immediately was grateful.

I did not do it on my work laptop 

Karen: because sitting 

Will: next to our daughter, God help me. Yes, no. So what I found was, and you, you need to clean this up for me because all. It was a bunch of people being tied up very, very tightly with rope in very compromising positions. Sometimes they were women. Sometimes they were men.

Sometimes there was a couple, but it was. It looked awfully painful and uncomfortable, 

Karen: but I have to say what I, then this is just weird, I guess, but what I noticed it wasn't just like you think tying something them up. I mean, they were these knots, it was like very intentional. It was like they were in these beautiful macromets

and then that shows you how old I am. If you know what 

macromet means. 

Will: And if you don't look that up instead of Shibari, [00:06:00] cause it's safer for work.

Amber J: The ancient 

art of rope tying is 

a 

practice and a spiritual practice that is meditative, that is ancient, and that is sacred and healing. And there are many ways that Shibari. Is used and like anything, it can be 

used to hurt to break down 

to bind. It can also be to heal free and express. And in choosing who you, if you choose to go on a Shamari journey, who you go on this journey with, I chose a shaman and.

Therefore, my experience was a healing empowering and [00:07:00] awareness opening journey that I had 

no clue 

what was going to happen. And the first time I was exposed to it was that burning man shop. I was in a Seminar a talk, I guess, in a conscious space and we were talking about desires and one woman stood up and said, I wouldn't be tied up.

And I was talking about right, but it planted the seed. And so of course, as soon as I got back, 

Guess what Facebook 

presented to me was Shibari. And come to find out. One of my friends, one of my dear friends was friends with this Shibari, Sharman Bodie, and she and friend recommended to me. So I, 

I printed him 

and, and that was.[00:08:00] 

That was kind of the whole exchange. And that was in 2019 to 2021. And he was on a world tour coming to the United States and we set up up our. And that's how this whole journey 

start little did I know what's going to unfold 

Will: now, he went much further than just tying you up, right? He actually from conversation, you and I had about this.

He actually. Spent an extended period of time with you and experience all kinds of things in the interest of being able to release your blockages and allowing you to become empowered as a woman. 

Karen: Yes.

Okay. Thank you. Now I want details. So 

Will: you have to [00:09:00] go into that because I don't want to speak for you, even though we've talked and I know where you went. I don't know how comfortable you are, how far you're willing to share with us. So I'm going to let the floor be open to you and let you take the lead.

Amber J: Well, I receive, I appreciate that. So all of this I'll give you the whole kind of landscape and the whole journey, and then feel free to interrupt and ask questions as we go along. How's that cool? So it was my birthday, August of 

Karen: 2021. Picture this 

Amber J: Bodie, let me know he was coming to the us and would I like to book a session with him?

And I got on a call with him. It's a video call. And we spent about an hour on this call exploring whether. I was in alignment, whether what my intention would be. If I were to go down this [00:10:00] road, what would I expect? Although it's, it's left a little in the, in the question, mark, which is part of the relation, I would say of it, frankly, is not knowing what to expect, what.

Actual journey will be. And everyone's journey in Shibari is different. So at the end of that hour, we came together and said, yeah, we're aligned. Let's do this. After he presented me the cost, which once I picked myself up off of the floor, 

I said, yes, I 

would like to gift myself. You know, if anything, I'm like, I am an Explorer, I'm an adventure leaders go first.

I like to be a trailblazer. I feel that's what I do in my women's work. I went there first and I bring others along. Take what lands for you, leave the rest. Right. And, and this was what was [00:11:00] available. Right. I get to go there first. So I said yes. And two days later, this man walks into my house. So all of this happened.

In my living room,

Karen: we ever kind of like a little wary of the situation or like this could be some, you know, weird guy, you know, like just as a woman having this guy that you don't know, come into your house and you're paying 

Amber J: him. So that is what that consultation is for. And most of the. Clients that he has are connected by somebody it's like, he was connected to me by one of my best friends.

She is, is referring him. She didn't refer him. But what was interesting is they met like the night before and she was going to refer me as a potential client. So it was very kismet. It was very much, I believe, meant to be. [00:12:00] Timing was aligned. And in that hour consultation, it is a feeling out like, do I feel comfortable with this person?

Is this for me or not? For me? And that is, and he is, he is a showman. He is a spiritual worker and he's just so vulnerable. And. Intimate and open-hearted that I felt comfortable with him right away and I'm exposing my wants, needs, desires. My fears where I felt blocked was was it an easy open conversation and people who aren't in that space?

Aren't attracted to this. It's just, it's just not where they're at in their journey. And I find, you know, I do a whole pussy power activation in my wild woman three day challenge. And that's all it used to be off putting to me to say [00:13:00] pussy. And I, I listened to the book from mama Gina pussy, a reclamation, and it really is.

Claiming our divine feminine, and this is a part of our body. This is what we have. So I was uncomfortable at one time to say that also. And I get where people aren't aren't there yet. You know, we're all on the. And I bet your butt's just poker it a little bit when I said it, 

Will: Thinking of all the explicit tags I'm going to have to put on the show.

Amber J: You're welcome.

So he, so he came in so two days later he was at my house. He arrived, he set up in my space. My space is already a goddess temple. It's already. Juicy at a sacred space. And, and we started to set [00:14:00] the scene. He came over, I'm going to say four in the afternoon, and this entire process unfolded until midnight or one of them.

It's not like a, alright, here we go.

Will: That's kind of where I was going to go because so you mentioned that Shibari is the meditative art of rope tying, but I'm assuming that Shibari in its purest form is literally just. Actually tying ropes and it brings you into a meditative state, but this is actually tying rope, tying knots or a rope around a person, a being.

So it goes beyond what traditional Shibari is. And so correct me if I'm wrong, cause I really have no idea where I'm talking about. 

Amber J: Well, I'm not a Shibari master. So I mean, like I just have had the experience so I can speak into what. [00:15:00] Transpired through ropes for me. And before we even got to the rope part of it, which was like, you know, anticipation, like 

when's the ropes happening?

Yeah. Is it going to hurt? I'll tell you. We had a tea ceremony where we, we just sat around kind of. Getting into each other's energy and connecting. 

we did ritual. So we lit candles in all four directions, calling in our ancestors guides and angels to support us on this journey to create a sacred container.

We could feel safe to go wherever we needed to go to say whatever we needed to say to test our edges. So really we spent probably two hours just setting the intention, getting in the space. And then [00:16:00] we did this ritual that I think is so potent and I have women do this, do this in my relationship is.

Okay. We're here and we have clothes on, right? Cause the next question is, do you have your clothes on or off? And I had on a bikini, but I had on let you know I had on, oh my God has garb. And so we did a process where we took off a piece of clothing as we took off a story or a concern. So his first thing, you know, he took off his shirt and he took off.

The need to perform or to get anywhere. And I took off a layer of shame and judgment. He took off a layer. I took off a layer and there I was in my bikini and he's in his underwear and, and here we are going on this journey. [00:17:00] So, so taking off 

our mask, 

Will: Yeah, I think I played that game back in college. 

Karen: I was waiting for the strip poker comment.

Amber J: Well, I was waiting, I had about seven seconds left. 

Will: So it sounds like a, absolute kind of. Seduction, it was a complete seduction, but way beyond that, like a spiritual connective seduction, where you were shedding off layers of unnecessary barriers in order for you two to connect completely so that You could welcome a space of healing without any of the three-dimensional garbage that we all carry around with us all day long. It's 

Amber J: interesting seduction. It kind of triggers me in that that feels manipulative and it didn't feel manipulative at all. It felt like we were building. Intimate connection and trust.

And that, that was going to be the foundation in which we went on this journey together. 

Karen: Yeah. It didn't sound like seduction to me either. It was more like [00:18:00] a, just really becoming very vulnerable, letting yourself be vulnerable to the person and just stripping away that protective layer. 

Amber J: So, 

Will: so let me clarify to me

I didn't mean to seduction in a way of like, Hey baby, I'm going to, Solutia more like a preparing of the way a seduction, a getting you both comfortable to be in a place that it was so intimate, because like you said, he just showed up in your house and you're in your living room. And your first thought is where the ropes, right?

No, we got a long way to go before that. You need to get yourself to a space. So in a way, your, you were seducing each other to the point where you were comfortable to proceed. 

Amber J: How the evening unfolds is, or the session is in, is in sessions is in segments in parts. And, 

after each part 

there is a check-in. Is there more to. So throughout this entire process [00:19:00] is communication consent talking it out, feeling it out and seeing 

where 

Eros where the energy is leading. , so part one of rope time, and this was the.

That I swear saved me in this whole process. He said, if you fight the ropes, they will bite you. If you surrender, they will hold you. And so if there was any point where I got anxious or rigid, I remembered that in surrender, I am held. And could we use some of that in our lives? 

Right? 

Will: Well, the question's going to beat for a lot of people.

Cause I know it's on mine since you and I talked about this, [00:20:00] does it hurt even when you surrender? I mean, I saw a picture of a guy being tied up in places and no guy should be tied up in, gotta hurt. I mean, it's gotta be uncomfortable to a certain extent. 

Amber J: So I did not hurt. I was not hanging from anything.

I was not tied in any way. Now, if you were to look at me, it probably looked like it hurt. It probably looked like it was, it would be painful, but it was not at any point, it was not painful. If anything, it was, it was. And my body. At times, like my legs were behind me and there were times where I was tied to him and it, and it wasn't painful.

Like, I didn't know, my body could go in those directions and it was not painful to Rowan. You literally held me. [00:21:00] Could you, 

Karen: were you able to move or are you tied really tight? Not a painful way, but just so that you can have the struggle, like I would think I would freak out. 

Amber J: So the, there is like with, with a pull it's, so artfully done and it looks stunning.

It looks really beautiful, but he can pull one rope and you. It's not like he has to undo all the things. He pulls a rope and you're free. It's really that. 

Will: Yeah. Yeah. That's good to know because it does look like it's so you start freaking out because you're claustrophobic and then it's going to take you an hour and a half to untidy pass out.

It would be trouble. 

Amber J: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's like they have escape hatches all throughout. Okay. 

Will: Gosh. 

Karen: Are you ready? 

Will: Am I ready, you know, hanging out before we go any further, because I know where we're headed. It sounds absolutely gorgeous, right. That connection with another [00:22:00] human being at the soul level, to the point where you're so raw and you're connecting with someone at such a, a funeral level.

Sounds amazing.

After all it was done. I know there's more to the story, but the one thing that keeps popping into my head, because that type of connection with someone, it it's got to leave marks. Right? It's got to leave something in your soul that makes you maybe not crave that connection, but do you feel now un-whole or unfilled because now you no longer have that good connection or, or do you still have that connection?

Amber J: Two things. One is, I am still connected to him, but I am not connected to him with chords, meaning like I, 

Karen: so 

Amber J: as part of the process, he is always teaching. He is a showman and the entire process is in the service of [00:23:00] love. So everything comes back to being in the service of. And,

and it is explicitly clear that this is a container and our connection will never go away when you're that intimate with someone, everyone that comes into our lives leaves a mark. Right. It's our choice, whether we are victim to it, or whether we're empowered by it, does it fill us or does 

it detract, distract, pull 

take.

And I thought it was such a beautiful knowing we were brought together as people are in our lives for seasons. Right. For whatever season that is, whether that's a lifetime or for an hour or for a month to learn, grow from each other to share and [00:24:00] express love. And, and then when that season is complete to you, or you're always a part of me and you aren't my.

You aren't my, my ongoing lover, you, he was my teacher and my guide and, and I love him and I will always love him. And we have this special connection. We, in fact, we just talked two nights ago for two hours, he's back in Bali and he gave me a whole tour of his house and all that he's created. As alters in his clawfoot bathtub.

And yes, I will probably have to go visit him at some point. And I just, he's just 

a soul just such a beautiful, pure in the service of love shaman. I mean, he 

is a sexual [00:25:00] healer 

and it's a very lonely job to be in. To be called into that work into servicing sexual healing, which is the sacred intimate, which is where we ultimately went.

Right. We have this one night and the session, which was 

four parts, and then there 

was more and, and so we figured out a way to a container that could contain. And went on that journey. And this is part of the church. This was part of the clergy would be sacred intimates to help the flock own their sexuality, heal their sexuality when they had been abused in some way, coming back to the fact that this is God moving through your body.

You are, [00:26:00] you are creation and created. The divine feminine. Literally we have 

parts of our body that are meant for pleasure only. 

All right. How about that? You want to stir that 

Karen: pot? 

Will: Yeah, there's a lot, to stir up. I'm assuming, because we keep talking about this being connected to sexuality, that there was somewhere along this trip, a sexual connection between the two.

Now, if you guys are tied up,

you see what I'm getting, right. Did it happen during the Shibari or did it happen after in that container that you created after? 

Amber J: Yes. 

Will: I knew. I knew. And I I almost told Karen watch range is going to be yes. Right. I understand. Right. So the ropes thing, was it a lead up to it or was it after, like how what's the, I don't know.

We've got a lot to talk about, so I'm [00:27:00] sorry, but , inquiring minds need to know how does the sex fit into roping yourself? 

Amber J: It can be 

very sensual and sexual the time and healing and heart opening, but it is hot. It is a turn on And at every point we talked about it, we talked about consent.

We talked about penetration. Am I open to that? Am I open to being touched, 

kissed, licked 

any of the, any of the things. And, and I was, and, and that is not always part of a. It was part of my journey. 

 It's what we all want as human beings is that connection is that deep connection. And 

it takes [00:28:00] leaping. It takes 

jumping in I in this case, and I don't do this, you know, everywhere. Although it's something I've been learning and it's what I teach is vulnerability, because that, that will heal the planet that will create peace on earth.

And boy don't, we need it now. Right. 

But. I chose 

in to this journey. And so that was our, like, I was already going to go there cause I paid for it. You know, like I put some Benjamins on the table and I was going to get the most out of it as, as humanly possible. And were there times when it hurt, it hurt my heart.

Did I get, did I want it to be something more? Absolutely. Were there times where my old triggers came up. Yes. Did I cry in the session? Yes. [00:29:00] So 

there, it brings 

up your wounding. It brings up those things to be healed, to shine a light on, and to dissipate that pain, they say, you know, the cracks are what, let the light.

And then or whatever is the Japanese art of filling in cracks with the golden seal, right? That is our gold is where the cracks are putting ourselves back together. 

Will: So D does that connection, does it, does this help you connecting with others or was it just strictly connecting with him? 

Amber J: Well, my intention in even going on this journey was to call in my king to call in a part.

And to bust up the blocks that I hold between me and intimacy with a romantic partner. So he stood in. If you see my pictures from my birthday, I [00:30:00] had declared celebrating my birthday on the beach with my king and there he was, he ended up being my key. At my birthday. And I got to feel what being a queen felt like next to a key where he held space for me and I got to shine and I was authentically myself and he was there by my side showing up and being a partner where we walked arm in arm.

And I, I got to embody that. So I know what that feeling is. Right. I know what that feeling is. I can replicate it. I can't I'll know when it's. When I'm experiencing that again, and it's not something new, I don't have to be afraid of it because I've experienced it and to know what the ups are and what the downs are.

Will: gosh. Okay. So then let's, let's, let's move forward now. Because this, your experience extended far beyond that one.

Amber J: [00:31:00] Well, so that, 

that sitting, like I said, was about nine hours long and had four different phases to it. And then we closed that container and, and he went away and, and we set, he, he has aftercare, right? So, we set a debriefing call two or three days later. To go over all the awarenesses so that I could land the lessons.

I learned the healings that were available to me, and it was like a two hour call. And we were like, oh my gosh, there's so much more to explore. And we sat then in the question of what would it look like to continue this and not like as boyfriend, girlfriend, or lovers or whatever. To, to have the teachings deepen to, for him to [00:32:00] be in the teacher role and me to learn.

So I hired him as a consultant. That's what we kind of came out as, as this sacred intimate, which is again, through history has been at the sacred whore. It's the, it's the healer that is considered. Holy is considered, 

A healer, a healer, 

a sexual healer. And so we created an agreement, a container, a specific deliverables, and a fee structure for it, 

Karen: of course, 

Amber J: because I will tell you the concern for both of us was I don't want to just be paying for sex.

And he didn't want to be 

a whore 

a sex on demand being, and, [00:33:00] and so that was, that didn't feel good to me to think of it as, as paying for sex. He was literally. Consultant. He taught me tricks in the bedroom. We tested edges that I had been curious about. Like we went to a sex party, which we were the king and queen of obviously we, we tried different things and then we lived in life together and we had.

So this was a big breakthrough for me. And I'll share this one specific instance. So we're living together right over this span of time. He moved in with me because he was only, he was only here in LA for a specific amount of time because he was on tour. So we, it was clear, there was an end date. It wasn't like it was going to go on forever, [00:34:00] which was good because.

It wasn't like I could romanticize or, or manipulate or create something. This was the container and we were clear and specific about it. And, and so he moved in with me and. Which also meant after our shenanigans and adventures out in the world and at home that we would pour a bath for me. And it would be, there would be rose pedals.

And we debrief in the bathtub together, which is my favorite. Anyone who knows me, I am the advocate of goddess. I believe in absence, salt and lavender and candles and all, all the crystals and all the things as a, as a meditative tool, as a healing tool, as a way to a vision. but one of the, one of the things that happened is So the [00:35:00] people at the sex party, we became friends with, they came over to my house and we hosted them.

And we, one night we all went to Nobu and we were under the assumption that they were. You know, Nobu ain't cheap. And we, we went to Nobu. We were like the king queen of the table. They ordered everything on the menu. It was fabulous and fun. And then the bill came 

and we each 

owed $250.

And one of the stipulations in my agreement with him was anytime we are out in the world in a date situation, I want you to pay, I want you to be in like a masculine role because in my past relationships, I have always been the breadwinner and I always made more. 

Will: Just to [00:36:00] clear up, you are saying key should pay.

Correct. Okay. 

Amber J: So like, if we were ever out in the world, like there's a cover charge or there's a, you know, a dinner or whatever that he should pay. Okay. So that was, that was the arrangement going in, 

However, who would've guessed, we would have gone to Nobu and it would be 250 bucks 

a pop. Right. So, so.

He was definitely on edge coming from Bali where things don't cost that much money. And I was on edge because I wanted him to be in this provider role. 

And so we had friction and 

it was perfect 

because I got to 

not be in rainbows and unicorns with someone in LA LA land. Right. But to be in real life.

And this is a real thing that I actually is something I get to work through and overcome and, and [00:37:00] heal. And so it was, it was, it was intense and we got to express. What was coming up for us and to work through it and to not run away from it and to not throw up our hands and call it quits, but to, to sit in the pain, to sit in the friction and to work towards coming out the other side.

And we, and we did it the moment, but what I realized. Like a month later, it took a month later for me to go, oh, I was holding the financial container of this and he was holding the container of my heart and that was worth the price of admission. And that was the arrangement that we had. 

And it also brought up 

this [00:38:00] expectation.

That men walk around with, right? Like the, 

the cultural 

expectations of men and women, how we play the roles in our life that the masculine always has to ask out the feminine that the masculine always has to pay the bills. Is there a way he could provide in a different way? And he did. He provided healing my heart and opening my heart to new possibilities versus I'm the one that was keeping the roof over the head.

I was the masculine container in that way. And that, and that was a blessing to see, 

oh, like these 

cultural roles that we put upon 

ourselves. 

Is it okay that he's, he holds my heart. And that I am the [00:39:00] breadwinner. Well, that's probably not what I want. In my relationship, but that worked here and I got to see it in real time in not fun times, by the way.

But yeah. 

How about the sun coming in? You're getting Southern California, like, 

Karen: so after all of this has happened and you've had time to think and reflect and kind of feel yourself, what has been the biggest difference you've noticed in yourself?

Amber J: The biggest 

difference I've noticed in myself is no shame around my body. Like I'm a, I'm a voluptuous gal. I walk around in bikinis. I embrace my body. I'm grateful for my healthy body. That this is the container I'm in. This is the meat suit I'm walking around in right now. And, and that I'm worthy.

That I'm enough. [00:40:00] That might, that might, my vulnerability is truly my super power. It's all our super power. And the sooner I can get to open hearted spaces with people, the deeper my relationships get to. I also started really fine tuning and upping my ritual game. So building crystal, I mean going woo all the way, lighting candles, calling in the elements and those unseen to support the women.

I, I work with my own growth. Moon ceremonies 

all the 

Will: woo. it sounds like an incredible healing experience in, in so many ways. And that's, that's wonderful. you've alluded to it a couple of times, a few times about the fact that you work with women and most of the people that know who you are will know about these groups that you run, [00:41:00] but for those.

Listeners who maybe aren't as familiar with you as we are. Give us a little bit of a rundown about what the Goddess process is and the women on fire group. 

Amber J: Sure. So 

how the Loja 

what was God has processes now my signature spark system. So everything the foundation is based on. 30 day intensive container, which is self-care prosperity and abundance relationships and community and contribution.

And this is emotional intelligence embodiment tools to support women in sparking the passion in their life activating their true wants, needs, and desires. They're honed coming back to wholeness and self-worth and embracing their authentic self. So that's like the foundation. I have a tribe of women that is my subscription [00:42:00] program.

We do full moon ceremonies and goddess circles sacred sister hoods circles. And then my mastermind program is women on fire is a seven. Put your feet to the fire mastermind of the thing that you always wanted to accomplish. Maybe it's writing that book or starting that business or getting into a romantic, healthy relationship.

We go through a seven month mastermind, a container to support, manifesting that in the physical and using these tools in deep healing and expressive ways. I stretch the heck out of. 

Will: It sounds great. And you, and I've talked about the fact that the fear of missing out is super real because you don't allow men in there and that's really unfair, but getting back to the conversation at hand, because I just looked at the time and I can't believe it's already so much time has gone by, but 

 For those. [00:43:00] Having experienced it, like how, how would they go about it? And not everyone knows a friend that knows a friend that knows a shaman that can help tie them up. So how does someone get involved with something like this? 

Amber J: Well, I think it's being curious, watching the videos online seeking, I mean, we have this thing called.

Google it and, and go down the rabbit holes and see what if it sparks interest, does it, titillate your senses, you know, and, and then you, like I said, you interview the, the tire, the, the Shibari master, and it is this. And, and so Bodhi works with couples and individuals, men and women, every single journey is different.

It is all about alignment. Just like you get a tax guy or a hairdresser, right. You got to vibe [00:44:00] with them, get to make sure and trust that they're delivering what you need and or what you're seeking. What is your intention in doing it? Is it, is it around. Exploration or is it healing? Is it curiosity?

Is it depth with my partner trying a new tool for connection? 

Will: Who's is not good for like who should stay away from this kind of thing? 

Amber J: People who aren't open to. Healing and exploring your sexuality 

Will: Puritans 

Karen: come full circle easily. Yeah, 

Will: that too. Yeah. Well, and if someone wanted to reach out to you to talk to you about the goddess process and and the women on fire groups and things like that, how, how would someone.

Amber J: Well, they can slide into my DMs. The DMs are open at Amber J. Lawson on every single platform. Amber J. Lawson I'm [00:45:00] also at goddess process is on most platforms also. But if you come directly to me, you know, I'm happy to set up a 30 minute call and share what it's about and see if it's a fit for anyone who is on that journey of.

Living, you know, the, the women who come to me are women who kind of like their life's working. It seems really good. They're making money or they're like on their path or they're lit up by something. Maybe they have a great family. There's something missing. Something's off. There's an area that like, can't put my finger on it.

Right. Those are women who.

Spark into full-on Firestarters into flames, into flame on women. And, and I really want women turned on. I want us to get. 

Will: So as always, we're going to add [00:46:00] all those links to our show notes. So if you want to reach out to Amber, Jay, you can always go to a skepticmetaphysician.com Go to her episode page, and you'll see all the links directly there.

So it makes it super easy to get connected with Amber, Jay, I guess I need to say though, we've talked a lot about Shibari. It doesn't mean that your group, that's what it's about. It's actually, it just, it showcases. The lengths of which you'll go to, to find tools of empowerment for people.

And I salute you for that. , thank you so much for coming in and talking to us about this. Cause my eyes are wide open. Now. I had no idea about this world and I appreciate you coming in to talk about it because you don't hear a lot about it anywhere. 

Karen: No, not at 

all. No, 

Amber J: we get to be curious.

And see and explore tools that could work for us, who would have thought that ropes would heal. My relationship with my father would [00:47:00] open me up to my king and would support an entire ripple effect of women. And, and what are those tools for you? Whether it's Shibari or something else? 

Will: It's always an absolute pleasure having you on the show.

And I look forward to connecting with you once you discover what your next escapade is going to be. 

Karen: We'll want to hear all of that.

Will: Thanks, Amber J really appreciate it. 

Thank you.

Will: 

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